Yeah no I doubt they would either. I'm not a labour diehard and never actually voted for them in my life, so I'm not your real target for the question but I did back corbyn as a lefty on here in the run up to the election I guess and if I lived in a different constituency I'd have a choice to make. I don't think the tories should just step aside. I think corbyn is doing right by his duty to pressure may and be talking about forming a government but I don't think they should shunt out the tories in actuality and I don't think will. My guess is that inside labour they'll probably be quite enjoying watching the tories tear themselves apart for the next week or so and crossing their fingers for another election ASAP.
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Yeah no I doubt they would either. I'm not a labour diehard and never actually voted for them in my life, so I'm not your real target for the question but I did back corbyn as a lefty on here in the run up to the election I guess and if I lived in a different constituency I'd have a choice to make. I don't think the tories should just step aside. I think corbyn is doing right by his duty to pressure may and be talking about forming a government but I don't think they should shunt out the tories in actuality and I don't think will. My guess is that inside labour they'll probably be quite enjoying watching the tories tear themselves apart for the next week or so and crossing their fingers for another election ASAP.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
please refrain from calling me welsh...............read it carefully
there are many threads on here as well as in the press and media saying he has no credibility................that went well then
Jolly Red Giant
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- Jul 11, 2015
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There is no way Corbyn would have anything to do with the DUP - the Blairites wouldn't have any problem. they would sell their granny to get into power.
However, there is another problem - If Labour won the election then the Blairites would do everything in their power to sabotage Corbyn's programme of reforms. The LP is two parties in one and Corbyn needs to dump the Blairites as soon as possible - mandatory re-selection of all MPs is a vital part of this. Furthermore - the TUC needs to mobilise its membership in support of Corbyn's reforms to ensure that the PLP support them. Indeed the TUC should immediately be organising largescale mass demonstrations against the austerity and pro-rich policies of the Tories and in support of the Corbyn manifesto as a prelude to organising a 24 hour general strike against the Tories.
You're a wrong 'un.
I'm sure no Labour supporters would , but, if the boot was on the other foot, a he'll of a lot of Tories would be.
You're ignoring the question, either intentionally or otherwise. Let's try and keep it really simple for you. This is the election result:
Labour: 318 seats
Tory: 262 seats
Would you be telling Labour to step aside and let the Tories run the country?
I guess it's a loaded question but political hypocrisy is a real big bug bear of mine.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Tomorrow's Daily Mail headline says the Tories have ripped up their manifesto policies as they've no hope of getting them through Parliament so why bother with being in power ?
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
Why bother? 318 v 262 probably.
Labour would do the same if roles were reversed. You can't see it because you're a bit simple.
Got it. You support democracy other than when it doesn't work for your side in which case it's rubbish.
Seats: 318 v 262
Votes: 13,667,213 v 12,874,985
Which one is "better' of each of those?
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
still Labour I am afraid.....................might is not always right
it amazes me the amount of tories who are now having fits of pique even when they have won
will now sit back with some pringles and await the next few weeks
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
no pringles just crisps while Labour still maintain they won
It's a bit misleading though, there are five left of centre parties, all after the same left of centre voters. There are two right of centre parties, one of whom doesn't really count as they are a one policy party and have lost their entire reason for existing.
So Labour have to share their natural voters with four other parties, and I do realise that not all the other parties voters would go for Labour, if their first choice didn't exist, but, a fair few would.
You prefer Labour - yes, I get that and in your eyes that equals "better".
The raw numbers suggests that's not quite the case though. Soz.
(I'm not a Tory)
Well, they don't have to.
They could just, you know, be good and that. Convince the electorate of their vision. If they present a compelling case then they'll win. As it stands though...
You have to admit, in a first past the post system, it is a big disadvantage.
Also, they did that with Blair, and wiped the floor with the Tories, but, to my mind , they kind of lost their soul a bit. I prefer Corbyns politics, at least it's still socialism
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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I think you, along with many many others (see Boris Johnson in the Sun today) are desperately trying to find a way to spin what has happened to make yourselves feel better. That's OK, we all try and find ways to justify our beliefs and feel better about ourselves.
But If you genuinely think that the fact that Tories ended with more seats then it means they 'won' and that progressives should not be celebrating then I think you might be a bit deluded. Which is fine because it is exactly this delusion that will help continue to build support for Labour (I am not Labour btw - in the same way you are not Tory I suspect). So far I have seen no sign of any Tories trying to work out how they are going to appeal to younger people and respond to their real concerns. I have however seen (here and elsewhere) lots of Tories saying young people are stupid. That should work well.
Probably the most signifcant outcome of the election for me is that the Tory press failed to swing it despite throwing everything they had and more at Corbyn. They lied, they smeared they threatened. And it didn't work. Murdoch, Dacre and The Barclay Brothers have been castrated. People, and especially younger people, took a good look at who's interests were being represented by the Tories vs Labour and who owns the Tory pess and they put two and two together, That in itself is huge in terms of how politics works in future. In addition we saw major increase in youth turnout - a trend which is likely to only go in one direction from here. And the Tories may have the most seats but they are on borrowed time now. Even if they do not destroy themeselves (which seems almost inevitable with Brexit negotiations coming at them fast - we all know how united the Tories are on Europe...), by-elections may do the job within a year.
Here is what I said on another thread:
The Tories are caught between a rock and a hard place. They can do a deal with DUP, keep May in place and stagger on for as long as possible, hoping that things improve, but more likely losing ever more support as they go. As long as May is in place the right wing press will probably not get behind them. And (even taking into account the reduced power of the press) without the support of the right wing press they are going to really struggle.
Or they can take action and try and 're-set' themselves with a new leader. But any leadership change, or the collapse of the agreement with DUP, almost certainly means a general election. And they would probably lose that properly now.
Corbyn is in a position of strength. He will put forward a major amendment to the house on the Queens Speech, which I am sure will receive a lot of support, even if not enough to carry it. He is in a postion to re-unify large parts (not all) of the Labour party, while also building strong alliances with other parties. Whether he can do it or not remains to be seen, but those that continue to underestimate him do so at their peril.
Anyone that takes the 'Labour lost so I don't understand why they are so happy' line is a bit desperate and/or seriously hasn't been paying attention.
Labour didn't win (yet). But May and her party lost. Badly.
pastafarian
Well-known member
Why bother being in power?
Its crucial Corbyn never enters No.10 for the good of the country......thats a bloody good reason off the blocks( i remember you personally rejecting Corbyn as a fool dont you?)
Lets not forget 60% of voters did not vote for Jeremy Corbyns vision.....and if its true that many Labour voters voted Labour holding their noses about Corbyn but wanting an eventual return to centrist Blair Labour then that number rejecting Corbyns vision gets even higher.
erkan
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Thanks for a timely reminder about the crucial importance of education. One of the many policy areas where a JC led government would be lightyears ahead of the chaotic coalition...Not usually a fan of these sort of things... but as it is commenting on the policy not the man I think this one is OK
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pastafarian
Well-known member
What did you vote for in The referendum Wrong-Direction? Thats right you chose not to bother because you reasoned "they are all ****s" why should i bother, you did in fact by choosing not to vote let other people decide for you and determine your future for you.
You wont get much sympathy now because all of a sudden you think Brexit is a bad idea......you really are the perfect example of a lemming little cuck boy that decides what to do because of what you are told to think.
Grow some nuts little man and think for yourself