General Election 2017

[nicko31]

The crazy thing is, if we had another EU Referendum now there would almost certainly be a clear majority for Remain. Yet May and her cronies are going to carry on to the bitter end, "leading" us to a result few people want.

Well seems that way.

The DUP deal was done quickly, would it have been done so if they said we want to leave the customs union? This is a massive issue for NI...

 

[Wrong-Direction]

What makes you say that? 84% of people voted for a party committed to Brexit.

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It's a shame 84% of the country are effing morons.

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[Jim in the West]

Is that the way democracy should work then? If you don't get the result you like then go again and again until you do.

You are Nicola Sturgeon and I claim my £5.

Agreed - it's too late to turn back now. That's my point. I'm not necessarily sure I'd agree that the EU referendum was a great advert for democracy, but the irony is that "the will of the people" is almost certainly no longer their will.

 

[Jim in the West]

What makes you say that? 84% of people voted for a party committed to Brexit.

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Do you think the vast majority of younger voters (who flocked to Corbyn) want Brexit? Or the vast majority of Londoners who voted Corbyn in their millions?

 

[Bozza]

Agreed - it's too late to turn back now. That's my point. I'm not necessarily sure I'd agree that the EU referendum was a great advert for democracy, but the irony is that "the will of the people" is almost certainly no longer their will.

Absolutely (and I say that as a firm remainer).

I also suspect if we held a general election tomorrow it would yield a different result to the one from a few days ago.

These votes merely capture sentiment at a moment in time and quickly become "stale".

 

[Titanic]

Do you think the vast majority of younger voters (who flocked to Corbyn) want Brexit? Or the vast majority of Londoners who voted Corbyn in their millions?

If he had won, which he didn't, we would still be leaving the EU. I have no idea why they voted Labour if stopping Brexit was important to them.

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[lawros left foot]

What makes you say that? 84% of people voted for a party committed to Brexit.

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Im a remoaner, I voted Labour, there was no other realistic choice for me. I'm not going to let other people's foolish decision on Brexit, dictate who I can vote for in a GE, that was about the NHS, the care of our elderly, education, and cuts in public services, as well as the EU

 

[Titanic]

Im a remoaner, I voted Labour, there was no other realistic choice for me. I'm not going to let other people's foolish decision on Brexit, dictate who I can vote for in a GE, that was about the NHS, the care of our elderly, education, and cuts in public services, as well as the EU

So you are not at bothered about Brexit then?

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[pastafarian]

Do you think the vast majority of younger voters (who flocked to Corbyn) want Brexit? Or the vast majority of Londoners who voted Corbyn in their millions?

It matters not.
They voted for a party committed to carrying out Brexit.

Whats most likely is the vast majority of those who voted remain have accepted the democratic result and just want to move on and get it finished, only a tiny minority now exist that want the referendum overturned ( see some of the lib dem voters)

 

[Bozza]

It matters not.
They voted for a party committed to carrying out Brexit.

That. And the other reason: that a whole load of them had so little interest in the Brexit referendum that they either didn't register to vote or were registered and didn't bother to vote.

Nice work fellas!

 

[DataPoint]

I politely disagree. We must leave the customs union and the single market. The customs union prevents us from trade deals with the rest of the world.

We have no choice in soft or hard Brexit. Such a thing does not exist. We are leaving and it is up to the EU what they allow us to do.
They need our billions for their budget so this deal will be signed within 6 months.



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Absolutely agree with you!

I just don't see how maintaining the status quo would lead to the greater prosperity and wealth we need.

For that to happen we need to sell more products and services to the EU countries at a greater profit than we currently do. They are our partners but also our competitors - and they're winning - we have a huge balance of payments deficit with them.

At the same time we hand over the second highest subscription charges of the 28 members. Our money goes to help other countries infrastructure and they repay us by buying other countries products. Mmmm.. Some might say we're a bunch of losers!

Now it's not mature to get bitter and twisted about the situation and there are other considerations to take into account - and after all - they are our friends!

However, quite unexpectedly, we have the first opportunity in over 40 years to review our relationship with Europe.

I have this rather old fashioned concept that to sell products and services and to make money, you must have customers - preferably lots of them. It's no good producing a great product if nobody buys it - perhaps because they're skint.

With that in mind, it's hard to see how we can sell products to EU members who can't afford them - we've been trying that in a sluggish EU for many years - but at the moment I think we're flogging a dead horse.

So I believe we need to find millions of new customers around the world who every week are moving from low income to middle class with an ever growing disposable income. I think 'Made in England' can still a prestige purchase.

What arrangement would we currently have with the EU now if we had voted to leave the Common Market in 1975? Would we not have come to a close and mutually beneficial trading arrangement with them by now? Of course we would.

So that agreement is what we should aim to achieve now.

But we must be realistic and honourable. The EU needs our money - desperately - else they will be have difficulties with their budgets. That's why they urgently seek to address this matter. 50 billion suddenly becomes 100 billion - an opening gambit - understandable.

I have no desire to cause any harm to any of our friends as we leave and I think we must expect to come to an arrangement whereby we continue to pay a substantial annual payment for a number of years whilst a fair and logical trade arrangement is agreed. It's honourable, it makes sense and it's achievable.

When we leave the EU, it will be indefinite not just 5 years, but 50, 100 who knows! So if we have to make payments for say 10 years or more, I believe it would be a price worth paying and it would become more and more negotiable.

I do hope that if this comes about, and that we can get our young people on board. I hope that if they can see real new genuine opportunities they can put all their enthusiasm, drive, learning and creative ideas into the new British renaissance. Use the great wealth of this country to find investors and backers, create world desirable products and services located in all corners of the UK. This is how we became rich in the first place. If we don't others will.


We have been the greatest global nation the world has ever known - it's our instinct and heritage. No country in history has contributed more in Law, Human Rights, Commerce, Technology, Science, Invention and Discovery. Just let us throw of the shackles and allow us to do what we do best.

 

[lawros left foot]

So you are not at bothered about Brexit then?

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It's not my first concern, with this Government, they had a weak hand before this election, their hand now is even worse. They'll **** it up,so, my first concern are the issues I listed in my previous post. I have really stopped caring about Brexit,my feeling towards it now is, I didn't vote for, so do your best, but don't blame me when it all goes tits up

 

[lawros left foot]

Absolutely agree with you!

I just don't see how maintaining the status quo would lead to the greater prosperity and wealth we need.

For that to happen we need to sell more products and services to the EU countries at a greater profit than we currently do. They are our partners but also our competitors - and they're winning - we have a huge balance of payments deficit with them.

At the same time we hand over the second highest subscription charges of the 28 members. Our money goes to help other countries infrastructure and they repay us by buying other countries products. Mmmm.. Some might say we're a bunch of losers!

Now it's not mature to get bitter and twisted about the situation and there are other considerations to take into account - and after all - they are our friends!

However, quite unexpectedly, we have the first opportunity in over 40 years to review our relationship with Europe.

I have this rather old fashioned concept that to sell products and services and to make money, you must have customers - preferably lots of them. It's no good producing a great product if nobody buys it - perhaps because they're skint.

With that in mind, it's hard to see how we can sell products to EU members who can't afford them - we've been trying that in a sluggish EU for many years - but at the moment I think we're flogging a dead horse.

So I believe we need to find millions of new customers around the world who every week are moving from low income to middle class with an ever growing disposable income. I think 'Made in England' can still a prestige purchase.

What arrangement would we currently have with the EU now if we had voted to leave the Common Market in 1975? Would we not have come to a close and mutually beneficial trading arrangement with them by now? Of course we would.

So that agreement is what we should aim to achieve now.

But we must be realistic and honourable. The EU needs our money - desperately - else they will be have difficulties with their budgets. That's why they urgently seek to address this matter. 50 billion suddenly becomes 100 billion - an opening gambit - understandable.

I have no desire to cause any harm to any of our friends as we leave and I think we must expect to come to an arrangement whereby we continue to pay a substantial annual payment for a number of years whilst a fair and logical trade arrangement is agreed. It's honourable, it makes sense and it's achievable.

When we leave the EU, it will be indefinite not just 5 years, but 50, 100 who knows! So if we have to make payments for say 10 years or more, I believe it would be a price worth paying and it would become more and more negotiable.

I do hope that if this comes about, and that we can get our young people on board. I hope that if they can see real new genuine opportunities they can put all their enthusiasm, drive, learning and creative ideas into the new British renaissance. Use the great wealth of this country to find investors and backers, create world desirable products and services located in all corners of the UK. This is how we became rich in the first place. If we don't others will.


We have been the greatest global nation the world has ever known - it's our instinct and heritage. No country in history has contributed more in Law, Human Rights, Commerce, Technology, Science, Invention and Discovery. Just let us throw of the shackles and allow us to do what we do best.

We became rich by invading other countries and stealing their natural resources, I don't think that will be an option this time around.

 

[Jim in the West]

It matters not.
They voted for a party committed to carrying out Brexit.

Whats most likely is the vast majority of those who voted remain have accepted the democratic result and just want to move on and get it finished, only a tiny minority now exist that want the referendum overturned ( see some of the lib dem voters)

I think we will find that an awful lot of Remainers can see the tide is turning. For as long as we're still in the EU, Brexit CAN be avoided. Theresa May will make a huge pig's ear of things over the next few months. She is SO far out of her depth it is embarrassing.

And, although Labour's manifesto says they accept the result of the Referendum, it also says that Labour will seek to retain the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union. That's a compromise most Remainers could live with - and it leaves the door open for re-admission at some future date.

 

[looney]

Hahaha. You're such a bellend. It's impossible to debate with you, you're pretty much illiterate, thick as pigshit, aggressive and incoherent. No son, if I engage in any kind of debate, it most certainly won't be with the likes of you.

N.B
I assume you were going for the word "engage". Engage in debate. Only "endulge" isn't even a word, you dolt. I'll skim over queuing and excuses.

"Learn to read". Hilarious.

Your an idiot. Lets set aside your continual diatribes while calling others agressive lol, as this is way funnier..

Endulge is a word, or Indulge if you like seeing you only have grammar to fall back on.

So Indulge in debate is? ...Sarcasm, a back handed i nsult which went way over your ginger curl haired toupee.

You got that fool? Yea and I cant spell and you cant think, which means untill the day comes when a Think checker is invented you will be at my mercy.

 

[Triggaaar]

The point being, you use one poll in your favour to further you argument. And when a balanced poll which is only a few months old counters your argument, you diminish it.

What are you talking about? The poll you refer to does not counter my argument. I agree with the results of that poll too, but the question was different. Would people like to scrap the free movement of people - yes. I agree. Would people like free trade - yes. Again, I agree.

Does that mean people want hard Brexit - no, obviously not, because hard Brexit would probably mean we don't get the free trade bit.

I disagree with you that people would choose both and so do both the main parties.

You don't know what they think, all you know is what the leaders chose to put in their manifesto as their negotiation start point.

 

[aftershavedave]

It matters not.
They voted for a party committed to carrying out Brexit.

Whats most likely is the vast majority of those who voted remain have accepted the democratic result and just want to move on and get it finished, only a tiny minority now exist that want the referendum overturned ( see some of the lib dem voters)

I really don't believe that. thursday was the revenge of the young, remainers and us olduns

 

[Bry Nylon]

That's a compromise most Remainers could live with - and it leaves the door open for re-admission at some future date.

Re-admission into what?

The EU as a concept is a busted flush. One by one the economically strong nations will exit, leaving just the usual basket cases.

 

[aftershavedave]

Re-admission into what?

The EU as a concept is a busted flush. One by one the economically strong nations will exit, leaving just the usual basket cases.

brexit can be cancelled at any time. cancelling article 50 is easy

 

[Bozza]

brexit can be cancelled at any time. cancelling article 50 is easy

Go on then - do it. If you're quick no one will notice as they're all pointing at the DUP and laughing and/or crying.