General Election 2017

[Raleigh Chopper]

Don't you see the contradiction in part of your argument. You say about the Brexit vote and then you say about housing. One of the major problems we have encountered is the huge increase in th population. The knock-on effect to this is they all need somewhere to live, so they demand on housing goes up. Supply/demand -> house prices increases.

I agree that house prices are criminal. I think this is a vile transfer of wealth from the young to the old, so I can see the anger of the youth. However, the only solution to this is a vast increase in building (which requires land), yet many of the youth will be 'green' and will object to building on 'green-land'. There isn't the brown field sites available to meet the demand.

Like all of these things, if you take the vitriol out of it and you got most sensible posters on here discussing what we want from the government, I bet you that we'd all be fairly similar in our views. I know there's a few who are extreme on both sides of the debate, but Tory voters aren't 'nasty/selfish' and Labour aren't spongers. However, the tribal nature and the insults lead to this conflict IMO

I see that, yes.
It's all so bloody tricky isn't it.

 

[Gwylan]

Why shouldn't the large businesses pay for the Education of the Youth. After all, they are the ones who ''cherry pick'' them straight after they graduate to earn them their healthy profits year after year.

These businesses that complain about being taxed to pay for education? Are they related to those businesses who complain about under-educated kids? You know, I think they might be

 

[NooBHA]

These businesses that complain about being taxed to pay for education? Are they related to those businesses who complain about under-educated kids? You know, I think they might be

Exactly....... So it's time they helped to invest to improve that. BUT will they do it voluntarily no they won't so it will take someone like Jeremy Corbyn to force them to do so via increases in taxes.

 

[Bozza]

Exactly....... So it's time they helped to invest to improve that. BUT will they do it voluntarily no they won't so it will take someone like Jeremy Corbyn to force them to do so via increases in taxes.

Thank goodness he won the elec.....oh.

 

[larus]

I see that, yes.
It's all so bloody tricky isn't it.

Yes it is. As I've said before, opposition is easy as you don't have to make tough choices.

For example, you only have enough money to fund university places or old people care.
Party A in power chooses university places, and gets slated by all of of the opposition parties for penalising old people

-or -

Party B funds both, increases the national debt, the finance markets lose confidence so the currency plunges, interest rates have to rise and there is a recession and those who have high mortgages or lose their jobs, get into arrears, then lose their homes.

Yes, I know it's a very simple scenario, but the reality is there must be compromises.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Just seen Mays cabinet, Rudd, Johnson, Davies and Fallon, no change. That woman has just stuck up 2 fingers to the country as if nothing happened last night.

Peston said on twitter it would stay the same because she can't afford to piss off one single big hitter in the party. I happen to agree with him


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[The Merry Prankster]

Thank goodness he won the elec.....oh.

You're the sorest winner I've ever met.

 

[Bozza]

Peston said on twitter it would stay the same because she can't afford to piss off one single big hitter in the party. I happen to agree with him


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Exactly.

And, once again, if the roles were reversed and Labour were there now they'd do exactly the same, and only the right (as in not left) nutters would kick off about it.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Of all the fun things to come soon the thing I'm most looking forward to is the DUP propping up an act to get tough on terrorism


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[NooBHA]

Thank goodness he won the elec.....oh.

I am all to aware he actually lost.

I am not ''happy clapping'' an Election victory for Corbyn and Labour but I am glad to see a swing in his direction - Maybe some day the majority of people in this country might begin to care about the less fortunate in society than ourselves. I am not holding my breath. I would be more than happy to pay 50% tax rather than 40% tax if it meant that other less well off benefited from it.

It seems based on yesterdays vote that a lot of other people don't feel the same. That's their prerogative and their right to do so. It's why we have Democracy and that's fine by me. It doesn't mean that I can't have a point of view on it.

I am also glad that his aims are to go after the large high earning companies and tax them more. He gave it a go and he tried to convince voters to follow his vision but he lost. The majority rejected his proposals. Again that's Democracy and I accept the result as it is but again I still have a view on it.

 

[Mellotron]

Are we really still hearing from upset Tories that this was anything but a DISASTER for the right?

Just look at the facts. How are you going to persuade the electorate to vote for you again? There are no ideas and you've nothing left to bribe people with. Even your ferocious press machine has failed.

What we're witnessing is what's been predicted for years now. We just needed the belief that things could change. Now we've seen they can, the parties of progress will only increase their share.

Honestly, there's nothing left in the tank. Regressive politics has been found out.

Regroup and try something new but please stop trying desperately to dress this up as anything less than a shambles for the Conservatives

Absolutely. This is a potentially monumental shift away from neoliberalism towards a totally new style of socialist politics. Could well be the thin end of a very big wedge.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You're the sorest winner I've ever met.

Wouldn't call gaining four seats winning.

 

[Grombleton]

I really don't get all of this euphoria from the Labour voters.

They have 261 MPs.
Tories 318 MPs.

If you put it into real terms, as in the total of the population, there's less than 800,000 votes between them - that's not very much. There's also a number of Tory MPs now with very sore arses having managed to just drag themselves over the line.

No, Labour didn't win. But there's no way the Tories can claim to be winners last night either, having a majority destroyed like that and having to cosy up with the DUP isn't anything to celebrate...all they've done is **** things up even more and they've only got themselves to blame.

I think it's similar to what the Tories were saying about Labour; a shambles of a party.

 

[Bozza]

You're the sorest winner I've ever met.

I'm not sore though.

I don't know what my ideal result was so I'm not sure I could describe myself as a winner just yet. I'll need to think about it a little bit more.

Like most, I think, I was resigned to a Conservative majority but hoping it was kept to a level such that it sent a strong message about the plans that May had laid out and would lead to some moderation taking place.

So it wasn't if there would be a Tory majority, it was a matter of how big it would be.

I know precious little about the DUP but posts here suggest they're not the nicest of chaps. That's a worry for us all if so.

My other concern is the impact of a fragile government, of any persuasion, attempting to negotiate a Brexit deal on behalf of us all. I'm not sure how that can work out well. Barring another election sharpish, that's what we're going to be stuck with isn't it?

 

[Theatre of Trees]

So just to be clear if the Tories get the support of the DUP, how many Tories need to cross the floor to inflict a government defeat?

Conservatives can count on 318 + 10 DUP and most likely the lone independent Unionist, though they are not always guaranteed. That leaves the remaining 320 of which 7 are Sinn Fein who traditionally do not take their seats in Parliament. Therefore it is 330 vs 313 - meaning the government effectively have a wriggle room of 9.

 

[looney]

Yes. Are there any other good neo-Nazi websites we should be checking out?

LOL No, ive found they trigger as easy as SJWs and wont debate issues, like the hard left. Only fun to troll on facebook but like the far left its all old news.

 

[crookie]

I'm not sore though.

I don't know what my ideal result was so I'm not sure I could describe myself as a winner just yet. I'll need to think about it a little bit more.

Like most, I think, I was resigned to a Conservative majority but hoping it was kept to a level such that it sent a strong message about the plans that May had laid out and would lead to some moderation taking place.

So it wasn't if there would be a Tory majority, it was a matter of how big it would be.

I know precious little about the DUP but posts here suggest they're not the nicest of chaps. That's a worry for us all if so.

My other concern is the impact of a fragile government, of any persuasion, attempting to negotiate a Brexit deal on behalf of us all. I'm not sure how that can work out well. Barring another election sharpish, that's what we're going to be stuck with isn't it?

Pretty much this, we have the worst of all worlds here. I didn't vote Tory, but expected, and wouldn't have been too disappointed with a small Tory majority for stability going forward. This scenario is likely to be a disaster, I see nothing positive politically or economically about this coalition

 

[larus]

If you put it into real terms, as in the total of the population, there's less than 800,000 votes between them - that's not very much. There's also a number of Tory MPs now with very sore arses having managed to just drag themselves over the line.

No, Labour didn't win. But there's no way the Tories can claim to be winners last night either, having a majority destroyed like that and having to cosy up with the DUP isn't anything to celebrate...all they've done is **** things up even more and they've only got themselves to blame.

I think it's similar to what the Tories were saying about Labour; a shambles of a party.

I wouldn't say the party is a shambles. I would say the TM is a bad PM and has ****ed up. IMO, she is only surviving in a transitional role and once the dust settles there will be a new process to appoint a new leader.

I would also say that Labour are a shambles. The leader was/is not wanted by circa 80% of his MPs. He removed his Home Secretary for 'health reasons' in the last week of the campaign and the shadow chancellor was conspicuous by his absence on the campaign. Yes, they got more votes from the young, but as I've already mentioned, there is a view (and not an unreasonable one) that they were attracted on the 'get rid of tuition fees' policy. Being honest, at £27k, why wouldn't a student vote for that?

 

[looney]

Yeah.

Are you related to Pretty Pink Fairy and is the Nazi site on your 'favourites' ?

No its not, various facebook groups throw up a range of links, its only the second time i been to that site. Much prefer the liveleak links of antifa getting flattened.

 

[looney]

Absolutely. This is a potentially monumental shift away from neoliberalism towards a totally new style of socialist politics. Could well be the thin end of a very big wedge.

Nah, its just labour using social media ala trump to pull one over gullible youngsters.