General Election 2017

[JC Footy Genius]

I can remember Ken Livingston when he was GLC leader ,inviting Sien fien to talks in City Hall, and getting absolutely slaughtered by the usual suspects. I read somewhere this was the basis of the ongoing secret talks

At least the slaughter didn't involve killing men women and children. Possibly in the Guardian?

 

[GT49er]

I think you'll find the prices started to go whoosh in the late 90's under the Labour government, when they sat back and watched the greed that gripped the nation, and failed to do anything about it. The poor who the tories helped onto the housing ladder, who otherwise would not have had a chance of owning their own house, suddenly got greedy, saw big profits and the rest is history. FFS Blair was more right wing than Teresa May is!

I'd given up on this thread for tonight (see post #5874) but I have to respond to that - what you've just spouted is rubbish. House prices rocketed in the 80s, long before Blair got in. 250% rise from 1981 to 1990. I know, because I bought and sold on those dates - and it wasn't a council house either. So, just put facts before propaganda and prejudice, eh?

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

2. If a business pays its workers more, it will offset against profits anyway and therefore reduces the amount of tax it needs to pay. So businesses aren't going to be hit as hard in real terms. Your outlook is very binary.

3. the businesses that are struggling to survive won't be paying much or any tax anyway and it definitely won't result in tens of thousands of job losses.

4. The household income increase for millions of low paid workers will mean Moreno potential customers to pump money into the small and medium sized businesses meaning increaseses revenue. This will offset the against the new minimum wage.

That is complete bullshit. As a small/business owner, I safely say what you have typed there is bullshit. Most businesses largest expense is staff. If you suddenly raise this cost by 40% that has to be found somewhere. Unless of course you think business are going to offset this profits, and not pay tax because they are not making profit!! WTF!!! So why own a business in the first place? Why take the risk and stress if you suddenly are not going to make a profit, because your extra staffing costs will eat it up. That's what you are claiming in point 2 and 3. Do you think business owners will continue to run companies and not pay much tax, because they don't make much profit. Why put up with all the hassles and stress, just to earn a wage and break even. You may as well go and work for someone else. That is classic left wing thinking. It won't result in tens of thousand of job losses, I agree on that. It's likely to be in the hundreds of thousands. ITS A 40% HIKE IN TAX AND WAGES for a lot of businesses, who are already struggling to survive.

4. Household income increases for millions of low paid workers, which will drive up inflation. So they can have ten pound an hour, at the cost of thousands of businesses, but by the time inflation strikes in real terms it will be worth less.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Didn't Major open dialogue with the Provos during the 90s?

Yer, difference was John Major was Prime Minister! What was Corbyn official position in meeting with the IRA at the time?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Yer, difference was John Major was Prime Minister! What was Corbyn official position in meeting with the IRA at the time?

Useful idiot?

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

The faulty premise being that austerity is meant to reduce the indebtedness of the UK by 'cutting our way to growth'. It hasn't worked. Simultaneously George Osborne and co borrowed more in 3 years than Labour did in 13. Given that George Osborne missed all of his 2010 economic predictions and oversaw the slowest economic recovery on record, it's absolutely clear that any signs of economic recovery that have happened since 2010 have happened despite ideological austerity, not because of it.

So the whole world has a slow recovery, and that's the Tories fault.
Labour **** up the economy and there's a world recession, and that's the world's fault.
Labour really don't like taking blame for any of their failings do they. It makes you wonder why they are going to driven further into the wilderness on Thursday doesn't. because they way you paint them, they are the best polital party in the world. Ever. That can do no wrong.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Useful idiot?

Nah. Even the IRA said he was a spanner in the works. Idiot?Yes. Useful? As a chocolate teapot.

 

[larus]

Useful idiot?

I think you have 1 too many words there. Just saying like.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

I'd given up on this thread for tonight (see post #5874) but I have to respond to that - what you've just spouted is rubbish. House prices rocketed in the 80s, long before Blair got in. 250% rise from 1981 to 1990. I know, because I bought and sold on those dates - and it wasn't a council house either. So, just put facts before propaganda and prejudice, eh?

So you have taken the example of YOUR house. Well done. That's proof then isn't it. Now look at the overall picture, not just your experience.

 

[GT49er]

So you have taken the example of YOUR house. Well done. That's proof then isn't it. Now look at the overall picture, not just your experience.

Halfwit. .....off

 

[studio150]

I'd given up on this thread for tonight (see post #5874) but I have to respond to that - what you've just spouted is rubbish. House prices rocketed in the 80s, long before Blair got in. 250% rise from 1981 to 1990. I know, because I bought and sold on those dates - and it wasn't a council house either. So, just put facts before propaganda and prejudice, eh?

So you have taken the example of YOUR house. Well done. That's proof then isn't it. Now look at the overall picture, not just your experience.

Why not have a look at the Nationwide House price index which includes data from 1952 to today on a quarterly basis

Average house price Q1 1978 £13820 Q4 1989 £61495

That looks like over a fourfold increase in that period

Whereas if you look at the late 90s

Q1 1996 £51367 Q4 1999 £74638 an increase an eighth of the 80s increase. Also if you look at the 90s in total

Q1 1990 £59,587 Q4 1999 £74638 only a 25% as opposed to over 400% in the 80s.

It's always good to get your facts straight when posting.

 

[larus]

Why not have a look at the Nationwide House price index which includes data from 1952 to today on a quarterly basis

Average house price Q1 1978 £13820 Q4 1989 £61495

That looks like over a fourfold increase in that period

Whereas if you look at the late 90s

Q1 1996 £51367 Q4 1999 £74638 an increase an eighth of the 80s increase. Also if you look at the 90s in total

Q1 1990 £59,587 Q4 1999 £74638 only a 25% as opposed to over 400% in the 80s.

It's always good to get your facts straight when posting.

Now post the same figures when you take the effects of inflation out. Gross figures are irrelevant as you have no context.

 

[GT49er]

Now post the same figures when you take the effects of inflation out. Gross figures are irrelevant as you have no context.

No, you do it. We're all waiting with baited breath.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Yes, because the more we change, the more they win.

Do they? It seems like they are winning at the moment anyway. We need to change the rules of the game. Just like we stood up and said no to Facism in the 40s, it's time to do that again now.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

This has also made me very angry

 

[larus]

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This has also made me very angry

Scum like this deserve to be caught up in incidents like this. Complete w*nker

 

[The Rivet]

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This has also made me very angry

Wow I didn't think people could get so diabolical for a bit of sensationalism. The guys mother should have drowned the runt in a bucket at birth!

 

[larus]

Wow I didn't think people could get so diabolical for a bit of sensationalism. The guys mother should have drowned the runt in a bucket at birth!

I think you typed an r instead of a c somewhere in your comment.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Why not have a look at the Nationwide House price index which includes data from 1952 to today on a quarterly basis

Average house price Q1 1978 £13820 Q4 1989 £61495

That looks like over a fourfold increase in that period

Whereas if you look at the late 90s

Q1 1996 £51367 Q4 1999 £74638 an increase an eighth of the 80s increase. Also if you look at the 90s in total

Q1 1990 £59,587 Q4 1999 £74638 only a 25% as opposed to over 400% in the 80s.

It's always good to get your facts straight when posting.

Another classic Labour trick there. Conveniently stop when it suits you and then tell people to check their facts.

As the argument was house prices got out of control under Labour, but according to the lefties its the nasty Tories fault, let carry it on through Labours regin shall we

Carry on teh same figure that you stopped quoting at the start of teh Labour Government, let carry them on shall we. Albeit in reserve order?


2009 Q4 £162,116
2009 Q3 £160,159
2009 Q2 £154,066
2009 Q1 £149,709

2008 Q4 £156,828
2008 Q3 £165,188
2008 Q2 £174,514
2008 Q1 £179,363

2007 Q4 £183,959
2007 Q3 £184,131
2007 Q2 £181,810
2007 Q1 £175,554

2006 Q4 £172,065
2006 Q3 £168,460
2006 Q2 £165,035
2006 Q1 £160,319

2005 Q4 £157,387
2005 Q3 £157,627
2005 Q2 £157,494
2005 Q1 £152,790

2004 Q4 £152,464
2004 Q3 £153,482
2004 Q2 £148,462
2004 Q1 £139,027

2003 Q4 £133,903
2003 Q3 £129,761
2003 Q2 £125,382
2003 Q1 £119,938

2002 Q4 £115,940
2002 Q3 £110,830
2002 Q2 £103,501
2002 Q1 £95,356

2001 Q4 £92,533
2001 Q3 £91,049
2001 Q2 £87,638
2001 Q1 £83,976

2000 Q4 £81,628
2000 Q3 £80,935
2000 Q2 £81,202
2000 Q1 £77,698

1999 Q4 £74,638
1999 Q3 £72,362
1999 Q2 £70,010
1999 Q1 £67,478

1998 Q4 £66,313
1998 Q3 £66,366
1998 Q2 £65,221
1998 Q1 £62,903

1997 Q4 £61,830
1997 Q3 £60,754
1997 Q2 £58,403
1997 Q1 £55,810

Yes, the prices of affordable housing, is really down to the evil Tories, and nothing to do with Labour policy is it!!!

You probably still believe that the housing crisis is down to the Tories, and had nothing to do the Labour even though those figure would suggest something different..

This is why is as impossible to discuss anything sensible with a lot of Lefties. They just cannot accept that they can be wrong can they!!! And they will default to, The Rich get richer and they only look after themselves argument and all cheer themselves. So ****ing narrow minded.

Never mind the truth. Let's just keep bleating out the same old cliche's about the Tories, because if we repeat ourselves enough, then people won't discuss it with us anymore, and that means we are correct. I am sure that's how your average leftie thinks!

Now can we tick the housing crisis and house prices off the list to blame the Tories for?

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

We are no longer safe - prisoners in our own society and communities.

This has to stop - and it has to stop now.