General Election 2017

[studio150]

Now post the same figures when you take the effects of inflation out. Gross figures are irrelevant as you have no context.

No, you do it. We're all waiting with baited breath.

I don't think Tubby will be pleased when you do, as I'm pretty sure that for the decade of the 1990s average house prices rose at a lower rate than inflation, thereby in real terms becoming cheaper rather than booming as was suggested.

No doubt when you get around to posting your findings you will agree with this

 

[larus]

I don't think Tubby will be pleased when you do, as I'm pretty sure that for the decade of the 1990s average house prices rose at a lower rate than inflation, thereby in real terms becoming cheaper rather than booming as was suggested.

No doubt when you get around to posting your findings you will agree with this

Sorry, but I'm not making any claims about realtive house prices and the party in power. Neither side can be proud of their record on house building, but after my dealing with the planning office to get a building project underway, all I can say is that there is no surprise that we have a housing shortage.

Public sector/council workers have no idea of the real world. No pressure and they don't understand the impact their inefficiencies have to other people. We need to build more, yet trying to do this is incredibly slow.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

I don't think Tubby will be pleased when you do, as I'm pretty sure that for the decade of the 1990s average house prices rose at a lower rate than inflation, thereby in real terms becoming cheaper rather than booming as was suggested.

No doubt when you get around to posting your findings you will agree with this

I think you are missing the point. The point is, the house prices go out of control under Labour, not the Tories, as you seem to have just confirmed. Tubbies very pleased.

 

[studio150]

Another classic Labour trick there. Conveniently stop when it suits you and then tell people to check their facts.

As the argument was house prices got out of control under Labour, but according to the lefties its the nasty Tories fault, let carry it on through Labours regin shall we

Carry on teh same figure that you stopped quoting at the start of teh Labour Government, let carry them on shall we. Albeit in reserve order?


2009 Q4 £162,116
2009 Q3 £160,159
2009 Q2 £154,066
2009 Q1 £149,709

2008 Q4 £156,828
2008 Q3 £165,188
2008 Q2 £174,514
2008 Q1 £179,363

2007 Q4 £183,959
2007 Q3 £184,131
2007 Q2 £181,810
2007 Q1 £175,554

2006 Q4 £172,065
2006 Q3 £168,460
2006 Q2 £165,035
2006 Q1 £160,319

2005 Q4 £157,387
2005 Q3 £157,627
2005 Q2 £157,494
2005 Q1 £152,790

2004 Q4 £152,464
2004 Q3 £153,482
2004 Q2 £148,462
2004 Q1 £139,027

2003 Q4 £133,903
2003 Q3 £129,761
2003 Q2 £125,382
2003 Q1 £119,938

2002 Q4 £115,940
2002 Q3 £110,830
2002 Q2 £103,501
2002 Q1 £95,356

2001 Q4 £92,533
2001 Q3 £91,049
2001 Q2 £87,638
2001 Q1 £83,976

2000 Q4 £81,628
2000 Q3 £80,935
2000 Q2 £81,202
2000 Q1 £77,698

1999 Q4 £74,638
1999 Q3 £72,362
1999 Q2 £70,010
1999 Q1 £67,478

1998 Q4 £66,313
1998 Q3 £66,366
1998 Q2 £65,221
1998 Q1 £62,903

1997 Q4 £61,830
1997 Q3 £60,754
1997 Q2 £58,403
1997 Q1 £55,810

Yes, the prices of affordable housing, is really down to the evil Tories, and nothing to do with Labour policy is it!!!

You probably still believe that the housing crisis is down to the Tories, and had nothing to do the Labour even though those figure would suggest something different..

This is why is as impossible to discuss anything sensible with a lot of Lefties. They just cannot accept that they can be wrong can they!!! And they will default to, The Rich get richer and they only look after themselves argument and all cheer themselves. So ****ing narrow minded.

Never mind the truth. Let's just keep bleating out the same old cliche's about the Tories, because if we repeat ourselves enough, then people won't discuss it with us anymore, and that means we are correct. I am sure that's how your average leftie thinks!

Now can we tick the housing crisis and house prices off the list to blame the Tories for?

It was you that stated the late 1990s. However having been proved wrong you decide to change your period - brilliant idea,

And how about carry on from 2010 to 2017 and adjust the figures to include wage inflation over the same period under the Tories. You will then be able to answer your own question about the Tories.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

It was you that stated the late 1990s. However having been proved wrong you decide to change your period - brilliant idea,

And how about carry on from 2010 to 2017 and adjust the figures to include wage inflation over the same period under the Tories. You will then be able to answer your own question about the Tories.

No. It was under Labour what the discussion about, but you took the figure that suited you.

So as you say THE LATE 1990s.

HERE YOU GO THEN

1999 Q4 £74,638
1999 Q3 £72,362
1999 Q2 £70,010
1999 Q1 £67,478

1998 Q4 £66,313
1998 Q3 £66,366
1998 Q2 £65,221
1998 Q1 £62,903

1997 Q4 £61,830
1997 Q3 £60,754
1997 Q2 £58,403
1997 Q1 £55,810

Nearly a 35% raise in three years or to be fairer, lets go from 1998 6 months after labour came to power. Nearly a 20% rise in two years. I am using the exact same page to get my figures from as you did.

So I have not changed the period to suit my point, I've further explained it to cover multiple periods. How late in the 90's do you want to go! Shall we say 30th December 1999 to 31st December 1999. There was probably no raise in that period, so you can claim it never rose under Labour in the late 90s and you probably will!!

Yes, they are continuing to rise. But the point was who is to blame for the housing crisis. As there was a 180% increase in the average house prices in 13 years of Labour power, I think that's a fairly good place to start.Under Labour the average working class person was priced out of the housing market.

As usual Labour start the problem, pass it on to the Tories, and then blame Tories. Classic politics of the left.

 

[portslade seagull]

I wonder if I can get something for nothing if Corbyn wins. All these promises soon much money. I wonder where it will come from. Maybe the magic money tree he will plant

 

[larus]

No. It was under Labour what the discussion about, but you took the figure that suited you.

So as you say THE LATE 1990s.

HERE YOU GO THEN

1999 Q4 £74,638
1999 Q3 £72,362
1999 Q2 £70,010
1999 Q1 £67,478

1998 Q4 £66,313
1998 Q3 £66,366
1998 Q2 £65,221
1998 Q1 £62,903

1997 Q4 £61,830
1997 Q3 £60,754
1997 Q2 £58,403
1997 Q1 £55,810

Nearly a 35% raise in three years or to be fairer, lets go from 1998 6 months after labour came to power. Nearly a 20% rise in two years. I am using the exact same page to get my figures from as you did.

So I have not changed the period to suit my point, I've further explained it to cover multiple periods. How late in the 90's do you want to go! Shall we say 30th December 1999 to 31st December 1999. There was probably no raise in that period, so you can claim it never rose under Labour in the late 90s and you probably will!!

Yes, they are continuing to rise. But the point was who is to blame for the housing crisis. As there was a 180% increase in the average house prices in 13 years of Labour power, I think that's a fairly good place to start.Under Labour the average working class person was priced out of the housing market.

As usual Labour start the problem, pass it on to the Tories, and then blame Tories. Classic politics of the left.

And look at the house building and population changes (which are the root cause of the problem).

 

[GT49er]

I think you are missing the point. The point is, the house prices go out of control under Labour, not the Tories, as you seem to have just confirmed. Tubbies very pleased.

Well, as he's just confirmed the opposite of what you said, if 'Tubbies (sic) very pleased' then Tubby is very delusional, as well as illiterate.

 

[studio150]

With the London Bridge attack there has been speculation on the impact to the election. No national campaigning today and if the same period as Manchester is followed there would be no further national campaigning until election day.
I think that the most important thing is that the vote goes ahead on Thursday and that our democracy continues and we do not give in to what is probably an aim of the terrorist groups

 

[daveybgtt]

I'm definitely voting labour now, Corbyn will invite ISIS round for tea and all our problems will disappear!

 

[nicko31]

With the London Bridge attack there has been speculation on the impact to the election. No national campaigning today and if the same period as Manchester is followed there would be no further national campaigning until election day.
I think that the most important thing is that the vote goes ahead on Thursday and that our democracy continues and we do not give in to what is probably an aim of the terrorist groups

Postponing the election would be a victory for these w***Kers, it needs to go ahead

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I'm definitely voting labour now, Corbyn will invite ISIS round for tea and all our problems will disappear!

What ever May etc are doing isn't working either.

Shows how ridiculous the talk about nuclear bombs is When that is clearly not the current issue.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Public sector/council workers have no idea of the real world. No pressure.

As the various emergency services and health workers wake up this particular morning I'm sure they will all agree with you. I guess some of their London colleagues haven't actually been to sleep.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What ever May etc are doing isn't working either. .

Very much this. Criticing someone for seeking alternative approaches when the current approach is not working shouldn't be criticised.

 

[Chicken Run]

Very much this. Criticing someone for seeking alternative approaches when the current approach is not working shouldn't be criticised.

I wonder what the world would be like today had we left Saddam and Gaddafi alone?

 

[theonlymikey]

That is complete bullshit. As a small/business owner, I safely say what you have typed there is bullshit. Most businesses largest expense is staff. If you suddenly raise this cost by 40% that has to be found somewhere. Unless of course you think business are going to offset this profits, and not pay tax because they are not making profit!! WTF!!! So why own a business in the first place? Why take the risk and stress if you suddenly are not going to make a profit, because your extra staffing costs will eat it up. That's what you are claiming in point 2 and 3. Do you think business owners will continue to run companies and not pay much tax, because they don't make much profit. Why put up with all the hassles and stress, just to earn a wage and break even. You may as well go and work for someone else. That is classic left wing thinking. It won't result in tens of thousand of job losses, I agree on that. It's likely to be in the hundreds of thousands. ITS A 40% HIKE IN TAX AND WAGES for a lot of businesses, who are already struggling to survive.

4. Household income increases for millions of low paid workers, which will drive up inflation. So they can have ten pound an hour, at the cost of thousands of businesses, but by the time inflation strikes in real terms it will be worth less.

It's not bull shît as you say.

Your premise only works if there are wage rises to your staff without adding in the extra benefits to the economy.

Are you suggesting that if millions of low paid households get a pay increase that spending power won't be more?

Are you suggesting that if spending power increases that businesses won't benefit from that?

Are you suggesting that a £10 minimum wage is unfair on businesses but millions of workers being paid less than the living wage is fair?

Do you believe that it is fair for me a normal tax payer to subsidise these low wages through working benefits? Dare I even say for your business too.

And as for inflation, considering it's only the lowest paid workers getting an increase inflation isn't going to go up as much as you're suspecting. I put this down to scare mongering and I'll informed nonsense.. If the entire economy gets a pay rise then you might have a point but it isn't so you don't.

As I said impact to businesses will be minimal. The millions of people getting an increase will be a greater reward.

But no I see you have a vested interest believing you are one of the FEW who MAY be adversely affected and not one of the MANY who will see a benefit.

#forthemany

 

[daveybgtt]

What ever May etc are doing isn't working either.

Let's be honest, there is nothing any political party can do about the islam issue, it's here and it's never going away, this is an un-deniable fact.

We could go on for 500 pages and increase our post counts to our little hearts desire, all fall out and still nothing will change, and it won't. Unless of course someone has the answer? Anyone?

Didn't think so! Never mind, back to hashtags and love is all around me.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Let's be honest, there is nothing any political party can do about the islam issue, it's here and it's never going away, this is an un-deniable fact.

We could go on for 500 pages and increase our post counts to our little hearts desire, all fall out and still nothing will change, and it won't. Unless of course someone has the answer? Anyone?

Didn't think so! Never mind, back to hashtags and love is all around me.

The Manchester bomber was on a watch list, the bods in charge dropped the ball on him.

Maybe if we had more police funding it wouldn't of happened? So,ethimb I believe labour want to do.

The hashtags etc **** me off royally, as much as the "deport them all" crew.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

What ever May etc are doing isn't working either.

Shows how ridiculous the talk about nuclear bombs is When that is clearly not the current issue.

Government has a responsibility to protect us from all threats not just 'today's issue.' We are not under nuclear threat because deterrence is working. Terrorism is something different and cannot be counter acted by nuclear defence but this is not the only
defence issue we face.

 

[Trigger]

Do people seriously believe that whoever gets the gig, things will change?!