General Election 2017

[Buzzer]

Midnight Rendezvous - I'm sorry but I am going to call you out here. You are either incredibly stupid or such a Corbyn fanboy that you can't even admit what is written here in black and white in the Irish Independent. As neutral a source as you could possibly get in this debate state Corbyn and McDonnell's support for the IRA in unequivocal terms.

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-supporting-iras-armed-struggle-31599412.html


Please stop trying to dampen down his words and actions with this whataboutery over Tory ministers who spoke with the IRA. That was their job, to try for peace. I'll repeat it as you appear to be so stupid that you missed it the first time - Corbyn played no part in the peace agreements, he never offered to help, never offered to be a peace broker, never spoke with Unionists, never once tried to get IRA to temper their actions. If he said that he wanted a political settlement then he did nothing to further that and everything to further an armed struggle.

I've asked you once to stop insulting my intelligence. Please, pretty please - stop it.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Absolute rubbish. He literally praised and honoured IRA terrorists and couldn't bring himself to condemn the violence even in 2015. You know damn well Corbyn played no part in any of the peace talks and he never ever tried to open dialogue with the Unionists, his friendship was solely with IRA/Sinn Fein and he was very vocal in his support for both.

" I condemn all bombing, it is not a good idea, and it is terrible what happened" - Jeremy Corbyn

 

[Ernest]

" I condemn all bombing, it is not a good idea, and it is terrible what happened" - Jeremy Corbyn

Exactly, a man of peace

 

[Buzzer]

" I condemn all bombing, it is not a good idea, and it is terrible what happened" - Jeremy Corbyn

When asked if he condemned the IRA, the Islington North MP said: “I condemn all bombing, it is not a good idea, and it is terrible what happened.” Mr Nolan repeated: “The question is do you condemn what the IRA did?” Mr Corbyn replied: “Look, I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides as well. What happened in Derry in 1972 was pretty devastating as well.”

When the question was put to him a third time, he said: “Can I answer the question in this way? We gained ceasefires, they were important and a huge step forward. Those ceasefires brought about the peace process, brought about the reconciliation process which we should all be pleased about. Can we take the thing forward rather than backward?”

Mr Nolan again asked: “Are you refusing to condemn what the IRA did?”. At which point railway noise can be heard Mr Corbyn said that he could not hear the question because he was travelling on a train and had poor signal.

and let's see how that non-specific reply went down with those who had loved ones blown to pieces by his chums:

The Labour leadership candidate’s behaviour has been criticised by relatives of IRA victims. Ann Travers, whose 22-year-old sister Mary was shot dead by the IRA, told the Belfast Telegraph that it was an “insult to all our dead loved ones.” She said: “I am shocked and disappointed that an MP, especially someone who hopes to win a leadership contest and lead the Labour Party into government, would find it so difficult to say five simple words, ‘Yes I condemn the IRA’. “Any right-minded, moral, government minister shouldn’t have to think twice to condemn it.”

Colin Parry, whose 12-year-old son Tim was killed in an IRA bomb in 1993, also criticised Mr Corbyn. He said: “When I saw the nature of the interview it didn’t surprise me. I think he saw an equivalence between the British Government’s armed forced and republican terrorists which I think anyone with a balanced view in Northern Ireland could hardly agree with.”


His weasel words may have been good enough for you but I think the views of the above are more important in deciding whether he really condemns the murder of a 12 year old boy. Colin Parry's comments nail it.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Midnight Rendezvous - I'm sorry but I am going to call you out here. You are either incredibly stupid or such a Corbyn fanboy that you can't even admit what is written here in black and white in the Irish Independent. As neutral a source as you could possibly get in this debate state Corbyn and McDonnell's support for the IRA in unequivocal terms.

http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-supporting-iras-armed-struggle-31599412.html


Please stop trying to dampen down his words and actions with this whataboutery over Tory ministers who spoke with the IRA. That was their job, to try for peace. I'll repeat it as you appear to be so stupid that you missed it the first time - Corbyn played no part in the peace agreements, he never offered to help, never offered to be a peace broker, never spoke with Unionists, never once tried to get IRA to temper their actions.

I've asked you once to stop insulting my intelligence. Please, pretty please - stop it.

You talk about ignoring what is in black and white and yet that's exactly what you have just done to my last post. You condemn Corbyn for talking the IRA, which he did openly and claims he did this to promote a peaceful resolution. You claim this is untrue. Without evidence. If you look into your claims in more detail it reveals him trying to give exposure to the complaints of those involved and attempting to facilitate some degree of communication. You then insult my intelligence because you reject my stance.
If you disagree with me, fine. Thats ok. You insult me, why should I give you the time of day.

 

[Buzzer]

You talk about ignoring what is in black and white and yet that's exactly what you have just done to my last post. You condemn Corbyn for talking the IRA, which he did openly and claims he did this to promote a peaceful resolution. You claim this is untrue. Without evidence. If you look into your claims in more detail it reveals him trying to give exposure to the complaints of those involved and attempting to facilitate some degree of communication. You then insult my intelligence because you reject my stance.
If you disagree with me, fine. Thats ok. You insult me, why should I give you the time of day.

How many more times? He did not attempt to bring about a peaceful solution. Not once did he ask the IRA to stop bombing. Not once did he offer to be a broker in peace talks. He played no part in the Good Friday Agreement, Instead he praised the IRA terrorists - and I've given you evidence of this.

I've given incontrovertible proof of my claims and instead of you offering proof beyond a few words 20 years later that he wanted a political settlement, you demand proof that he didn't from me.

You really are thick as two short planks.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

How many more times? He did not attempt to bring about a peaceful solution. Not once did he ask the IRA to stop bombing. Not once did he offer to be a broker in peace talks. He played no part in the Good Friday Agreement, Instead he praised the IRA terrorists - and I've given you evidence of this.

You really are thick as two short planks.

No, you haven't. You've made claims. And each time I look into a claim that you've made all that becomes clear is JC's consistent, repeatedly expressed position on the Ireland question: that violent means of countering terrorism help to propagate it. That peace and dialogue are the way forward. Was he part of the Good Friday agreement? No. I never claimed he was. He was only campaigning for a peaceful resolution 10 years previous.

You say I'm thick but you really aren't too clever if you think insulting me will make me change my view on the matter.

 

[Ernest]

Interesting seeing Emily Thornberry shutting Fallon up on Marr with his anti Corbyn smears, where were you Michael in 2007 ? Celebrating President Assads re-election with a 99% majority with him. Smears and innuendo can go both ways

 

[Buzzer]

No, you haven't. You've made claims. And each time I look into a claim that you've made all that becomes clear is JC's consistent, repeatedly expressed position on the Ireland question: that violent means of countering terrorism help to propagate it. That peace and dialogue are the way forward. Was he part of the Good Friday agreement? No. I never claimed he was. He was only campaigning for a peaceful resolution 10 years previous.

You say I'm thick but you really aren't too clever if you think insulting me will make me change my view on the matter.

I'm insulting you because you can't change your mind on something even when given proof in black and white. Read the link to the Irish newspaper, for Christ sake. A quick google will find similar in The Telegraph, BBC, Sky News, Guardian, Independent and many more news sites but that one link backs up what I've said completely.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I'm insulting you because you can't change your mind on something even when given proof in black and white. Read the link to the Irish newspaper, for Christ sake. A quick google will find similar in The Telegraph, BBC, Sky News, Guardian, Independent and many more news sites but that one link backs up what I've said completely.

Here's another piece of 'black and white proof'. I wonder if you'll class that as proof if it goes AGAINST your position.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...s-with-sinn-fein-in-westminster-31396059.html

Also regarding your post re his interview where he 'refuses to condemn the IRA' maybe it was because he felt he’d answered the question already, having explicitly criticised the IRA’s use of terrorism in the same interview. Or because as someone who had campaigned for a peace process from the early 80s he felt the answer to the question was beyond obvious?

 

[Buzzer]

Here's another piece of 'black and white proof'. I wonder if you'll class that as proof if it goes AGAINST your position.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...s-with-sinn-fein-in-westminster-31396059.html

Also regarding your post re his interview where he 'refuses to condemn the IRA' maybe it was because he felt he’d answered the question already, having explicitly criticised the IRA’s use of terrorism in the same interview. Or because as someone who had campaigned for a peace process from the early 80s he felt the answer to the question was beyond obvious?

Haha! Let's get this right. He was bringing about peace by inviting Adams and McGuinness to the HoC for lunch. And that was it. He didn't invite Unionist MPs, Alliance MPs, Government ministers, shadow Labour spokesmen - in fact all he did was have lunch. He was already good mates with Adams and McGuinness. How did having lunch with his terrorist chums further political discourse?

Jeremy Corbyn tried to bring about a political solution to N.Ireland by having lunch with Gerry Adams and constantly praising their campaign of terror. Yeah, I can see how that would work.

 

[beorhthelm]

Interesting seeing Emily Thornberry shutting Fallon up on Marr with his anti Corbyn smears, where were you Michael in 2007 ? Celebrating President Assads re-election with a 99% majority with him. Smears and innuendo can go both ways

seemed an odd arguement to make. Corbyn privatly meeting with IRA in 80's when they were hostile to UK, is somehow equivilent to Fallon public meeting with foreign leader as part of parliamentry delegation (including the then minister for international development). good for knockabout politics though, distraction worked well getting off the subject.

 

[Acker79]

Following on from the Conservative pledge to cap energy bills, I think we can see their manifesto here:

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

seemed an odd arguement to make. Corbyn privatly meeting with IRA in 80's when they were hostile to UK, is somehow equivilent to Fallon public meeting with foreign leader as part of parliamentry delegation (including the then minister for international development). good for knockabout politics though, distraction worked well getting off the subject.

He shook his hand and welcomed his re-election, Fallon is a lunatic.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Haha! Let's get this right. He was bringing about peace by inviting Adams and McGuinness to the HoC for lunch. And that was it. He didn't invite Unionist MPs, Alliance MPs, Government ministers, shadow Labour spokesmen - in fact all he did was have lunch. He was already good mates with Adams and McGuinness. How did having lunch with his terrorist chums further political discourse?

Jeremy Corbyn tried to bring about a political solution to N.Ireland by having lunch with Gerry Adams and constantly praising their campaign of terror. Yeah, I can see how that would work.

How very predictable. However it does help with the point I'm about to make. Why should I (or anyone) take your word that your 'sources' from an Irish newspaper, the Telegraph etc are 'black and white proof' when you so readily disregard something from a similar source that goes against your point of view? Very hypocritical of you.

 

[Buzzer]

How very predictable. However it does help with the point I'm about to make. Why should I (or anyone) take your word that your 'sources' from an Irish newspaper, the Telegraph etc are 'black and white proof' when you so readily disregard something from a similar source that goes against your point of view? Very hypocritical of you.

Dialogue suggests that both sides are engaging in talks. A simple question - how does having sandwiches with Adams but inviting no-one else along and constantly praising their armed struggle promote political dialogue?

You want hypocritical - claiming you want a political dialogue whilst making a huge thing of praising the armed struggle is about as hypocritical as you can get. But anyway, I digress - this dialogue that Corbyn tried to bring about... please explain how your link is nothing more than proof that Corbyn and Adams had lunch together.

 

[beorhthelm]

He shook his hand and welcomed his re-election, Fallon is a lunatic.

very possibly. so what does that make Corbyn, meeting, shaking hands with IRA leaders when they were engaged in armed conflict with our nation?

 

[Buzzer]

How very predictable. However it does help with the point I'm about to make. Why should I (or anyone) take your word that your 'sources' from an Irish newspaper, the Telegraph etc are 'black and white proof' when you so readily disregard something from a similar source that goes against your point of view? Very hypocritical of you.

The USDAW which is Labour-affiliated are specifically NOT endorsing Corbyn because of his support for the IRA and they specifically cite the HoC lunch stunt as one of the reasons why they think Corbyn had affiliations with the IRA. Rather makes a mockery of your claim that it's proof of striking for peace.

 

[Silk]

The British Government held talks with the IRA while they were engaged in armed conflict with us. Furthermore, Gerry Adams was a democratically elected Westminster MP.

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[vegster]

Good grief you do write a load of old

The Tory manifesto hasn't been released yet.

There won't be anything like a manifesto unless you count sound bites.