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studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
30,227
On the Border
If you dont need the pension or heating allowance why should you get it and I agree all benefits and hand outs should be means tested.

What is more of concern is that I was told this week that all councils now credit check people on the housing list.

The State Pension is based on years of NI contribution, therefore whatever you get from it you are entitled to. Whether you need it or not is irrelevant. If you need more then this is already means tested.

What is wrong with credit checking, perhaps you can let us know how this is being used by the Council.
 


vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,272
There is no Conservative manifesto, this election it is the May manifesto.

Vote for me, me or me

It really comes over as a desperate power grab from May. The spindoctors have suddenly started trying to give her a softer side and a " personality" where none exists. She is a low functioning apparatchnik who has found herself in pole position in a Ford Fiesta against rivals in wheelbarrows and for the first time in her life she will be coming first in something.

She has little or no policies, aims or ideals other than retaining power, hence the simplistic chants of Strong and Stable and the avoidance of debate and real interaction so she can't be forced to come up with an answer that hasn't been constructed and rehearsed.. there has been an obscene amount of focus on how wonderful May is and how awful Corbyn is which tries to mask the real agendas that should be debated. The Tory manifesto is minimalist as to ensure it does not get held to any promises it can't U-turn out of when things turn sticky. The real issues are not debated or admitted by the Tories but they are quick to pour scorn on anything Labour suggest. Sad times indeed.
 




Gregory2Smith1

J'les aurai!
Sep 21, 2011
5,476
Auch

rich people often employ alot of people

that gives alot of people the chance to pay bills go on holiday and generally have a good standard of living in the UK

no one is stopping you from doing the same

your not entitiled to a good standard of living

you have to earn it
 




Big G

New member
Dec 14, 2005
1,086
Brighton
It really comes over as a desperate power grab from May. The spindoctors have suddenly started trying to give her a softer side and a " personality" where none exists. She is a low functioning apparatchnik who has found herself in pole position in a Ford Fiesta against rivals in wheelbarrows and for the first time in her life she will be coming first in something.

She has little or no policies, aims or ideals other than retaining power, hence the simplistic chants of Strong and Stable and the avoidance of debate and real interaction so she can't be forced to come up with an answer that hasn't been constructed and rehearsed.. there has been an obscene amount of focus on how wonderful May is and how awful Corbyn is which tries to mask the real agendas that should be debated. The Tory manifesto is minimalist as to ensure it does not get held to any promises it can't U-turn out of when things turn sticky. The real issues are not debated or admitted by the Tories but they are quick to pour scorn on anything Labour suggest. Sad times indeed.

Very good analogy about rivals in wheelbarrows! And pretty much sums up the simplicity of the up coming election.
Party manifestos don't mean jack shit because whether you like it or not the Conservatives are the only party actually capable of running the country as every other party are nothing but a joke!
 


JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
It really comes over as a desperate power grab from May. The spindoctors have suddenly started trying to give her a softer side and a " personality" where none exists. She is a low functioning apparatchnik who has found herself in pole position in a Ford Fiesta against rivals in wheelbarrows and for the first time in her life she will be coming first in something.

She has little or no policies, aims or ideals other than retaining power, hence the simplistic chants of Strong and Stable and the avoidance of debate and real interaction so she can't be forced to come up with an answer that hasn't been constructed and rehearsed.. there has been an obscene amount of focus on how wonderful May is and how awful Corbyn is which tries to mask the real agendas that should be debated. The Tory manifesto is minimalist as to ensure it does not get held to any promises it can't U-turn out of when things turn sticky. The real issues are not debated or admitted by the Tories but they are quick to pour scorn on anything Labour suggest. Sad times indeed.

Good grief you do write a load of old :shit:

The Tory manifesto hasn't been released yet.
 






midnight_rendezvous

Well-known member
Aug 10, 2012
3,743
The Black Country
rich people often employ alot of people

that gives alot of people the chance to pay bills go on holiday and generally have a good standard of living in the UK

no one is stopping you from doing the same

your not entitiled to a good standard of living

you have to earn it

I'm very aware of that. But the super rich don't always get to where they are simply through hard work. The Tories have a history of helping those who have the means to help themselves. Under Tory rule the rich have gotten much richer whilst the poor are having to use food banks and there has been a huge rise in children growing up in poverty. That's no ok. It's also not ok that some cooperations pay less tax then their employees.
 
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wellquickwoody

Many More Voting Years
NSC Patron
Aug 10, 2007
13,911
Melbourne
I'm very aware of that. But the Tories help those who have the means to help themselves. Under Tory rule the rich have gotten much richer whilst the poor are having to use food banks and there has been a huge rise in children growing up in poverty. if you're ok with that you need to have words with yourself.

No, you need to address why you believe published figures about child poverty have changed so much without question. Where are your figures from, EXACTLY?
 


midnight_rendezvous

Well-known member
Aug 10, 2012
3,743
The Black Country
No, you need to address why you believe published figures about child poverty have changed so much without question. Where are your figures from, EXACTLY?

Do your own homework. Checking figures from Child Health (RCPCH) and Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG) would be a start.
 




BensGrandad

New member
Jul 13, 2003
72,015
Haywards Heath
The State Pension is based on years of NI contribution, therefore whatever you get from it you are entitled to. Whether you need it or not is irrelevant. If you need more then this is already means tested.

What is wrong with credit checking, perhaps you can let us know how this is being used by the Council.

I agree about the state pension but was referring more to assistance like heating allowance which you can get if you live in Spain provided you are living in UK in September.

As regards credit checks for council housing or social housing as it is now known I think that it is wrong. There are many people who had a troubled teenage life and perhaps incurring debts and a bad credit record. When they become sensible at 25 years old they cannot get a mortgage because of their credit history, perhaps a car or motor bike purchase or credit card , but why should that stop them getting a council house. I think that it is wrong and unfair on youngsters.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,015
As regards credit checks for council housing or social housing as it is now known I think that it is wrong. ... why should that stop them getting a council house.

yes, why should credit affect getting a council house? they dont need credit to be homed by the council, who have to house/accommodate people based on need. suggest that this using a credit check company to prove identity.
 


barchetta

New member
Mar 21, 2016
20
NHS at breaking point
Schools at breaking point
Reducing benefits to disabled
More homeless than I've ever seen
20,000 less police
Vote tory more of the same
 




Raleigh Chopper

New member
Sep 1, 2011
12,054
Plymouth
NHS at breaking point
Schools at breaking point
Reducing benefits to disabled
More homeless than I've ever seen
20,000 less police
Vote tory more of the same

You forgot sacking all the experienced prison officers, allowing prisoners to do pretty much what they want and then realising it was a huge mistake, so they are recruiting more inexperienced ones and then claiming they are doing a great job because they are recruiting X number of new prison officers.
And they can only do that because we have a strong and stable economy.
 










The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 11, 2016
26,185
West is BEST
I hope they have a really flimsy manifesto because they don't think they have anything to fight for and then get utterly trounced at the GE. I very, very, very, very much doubt this will happen though. But oh god, imagine how sweet it would be to see May leave Downing St.
 


jakarta

Well-known member
May 25, 2007
15,738
Sullington
I hope they have a really flimsy manifesto because they don't think they have anything to fight for and then get utterly trounced at the GE. I very, very, very, very much doubt this will happen though. But oh god, imagine how sweet it would be to see May leave Downing St.

Unfortunately it would mean Gerry Adams Best Mate would then slither in.

Fortunately it won't happen.
 


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