General Election 2017

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

If the Tories are not to win again with the vote of 24% of the eligible population - this is what we need to do #progressivealliance
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-dems-to-form-electoral-pact-to-defeat-tories

Totllay this, closest your get in our rotton system to some proportional representation at Parliment. Although would be tough voting for a LIB DEM, I would go for it if keeps the Tories out.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

last night Newsnight was in Barrow. two women outright said they'd be looking at May, and another chap said he couldnt vote Corbyn (seemed uneasy at prospect he might concider conservative). all Labour voters. and apparently local Labour MP said he wouldnt endorse Corbyn as PM.

but its just the right wing media conspiracy that tells us he's unelectable.

Of course Labour are electable. If Labour and the left stopped all the infighting, hiding behind the ridiculous rhetoric that 'JC is unelectable' and actually opppsed the Tories, then they would be, by definition, electable. However, too many Labour MPs and voters would be happy to see the Tories in power if it meant JC going. Oh well, it's the only the public that suffer, eh?

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Interesting not much made of this connection especillay with the Mail's horror headline today.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...sa-may-private-dinner-daily-mail-editor-no-10

 

[Pavilionaire]

The reason that I see a Green vote as a wasted vote is that I believe that Caroline Lucas is an idealist with no idea of life in general and no hope of ever having any say in government, orin opposition ,thank goodness, so to all intents and purposes is a waste of time.being an MP.

Greens have more seats than UKIP, who are polling at 10%.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Greens have more seats than UKIP, who are polling at 10%.

Shows they are more of a protest party than a political party, but highlights also under PR greens would have about 30 seats as well UKIP 50 odd

 

[spring hall convert]

Which should ring alarm bells for anyone even thinking of voting Lib Dem - memories are very short if people don't remember what the Lewes Lib Dems did to us.

I am aware, it's not Norman Baker any more and what the Lewes Lib Dems did to us pales in insignificance against what the Tories will do if May gets her mandate and we exit the EU. without a deal.

 

[beorhthelm]

Of course Labour are electable. If Labour and the left stopped all the infighting, hiding behind the ridiculous rhetoric that 'JC is unelectable' and actually opppsed the Tories, then they would be, by definition, electable. However, too many Labour MPs and voters would be happy to see the Tories in power if it meant JC going. Oh well, it's the only the public that suffer, eh?

thats a big IF. its not rhetoric though, an MP's opening gambit for reselection is "i dont support Corbyn" because he know the locals dont support Corbyn. maybe a special case with Trident, but still an eye opener on how big a liability Corbyn really is.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Both the Lib Dems and Greens are promising that. One snag - they've no chance of wining a General Election. But could take enough votes away from Labour to give the Tories the mandate for the hardest of hard Brexits. If you want to preserve some meaningful relationship with Europe, a Labour government is the only realistic thing that can deliver that

A Lab-Lib coalition COULD deliver it provided Labour had an electable leader. Labour couldn't take power without the pro Remain swing back to the Lib Dems in the south and west.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

thats a big IF. its not rhetoric though, an MP's opening gambit for reselection is "i dont support Corbyn" because he know the locals dont support Corbyn. maybe a special case with Trident, but still an eye opener on how big a liability Corbyn really is.

That's why the Labour Party are in disarray. Some of their MPs aren't even bothering to defend him which makes him and the party look weak. In their defence, it must be a catch 22, you either go with your constituents (against JC), or you try and convince them that JC is the right man for the job and risk getting ousted.

For what it's worth, I've never been 'Labour', having never voted for them before, but I will this time. More to stop the Tories than anything else. Sadly, I can only see a Tory victory. And that'll be more down to infighting on the left than it will be because May is the best choice for PM.

 

[Chicken Run]

I have to say it's worrying for Labour if a NSC poll shows them third behind the Liberals!!

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

George Osborne standing down

 

[London Irish]

That's why the Labour Party are in disarray. Some of their MPs aren't even bothering to defend him which makes him and the party look weak. In their defence, it must be a catch 22, you either go with your constituents (against JC), or you try and convince them that JC is the right man for the job and risk getting ousted.

For what it's worth, I've never been 'Labour', having never voted for them before, but I will this time. More to stop the Tories than anything else. Sadly, I can only see a Tory victory. And that'll be more down to infighting on the left than it will be because May is the best choice for PM.

Correct - but there's a lot more people around like you than is commonly thought. Corbyn is not a business as usual machine politician and stands for something - that will reasonate with plenty of people

 

[London Irish]

The problem is that there is one party of the Right (forget about UKIP, they're done) and a variety from the centre Left in a first past the post electoral system. We're the only country in Europe where a governing party can get a majority with less than 40% of the popular vote, and it's very silly, which is why tactics are necessary. I am hard Left but have happily voted Lib Dem tactically in the past and would actually vote for a turd in a Crystal Palace shirt if it would get the Tories out EDIT: forget the Palace shirt, I couldn't go that far
#progressive alliance
(just broken my self imposed rule and started arguing about politics on NSC....oh dear....)

The Lib Dems of Charles Kennedy era yes of course. The current lot under Clegg and Farron have swallowed all of Thatcher's economic ideas and will prop up the Tories again given half a chance - this morning they've ruled out a coalition with Labour

 

[London Irish]

Bit of light relief. Hughton for PM https://inews.co.uk/essentials/sport/football/labour-call-chris-hughton-leader-knows-win/

 

[Pavilionaire]

George Osborne standing down

"Show me the money!"

 

[Triggaaar]

May - Brexit too hard.

I don't think that's a given yet. I'd like it soft please.

 

[symyjym]

Where is the "Too apathetic and won't be voting in a political circus that doesn't affect me" option?

 

[CHAPPERS]

Has anyone seen it explained anywhere how this election can be held with the threat of prosecutions hanging over a number of MPs for their fradulent election spending last time?

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

Has anyone seen it explained anywhere how this election can be held with the threat of prosecutions hanging over a number of MPs for their fradulent election spending last time?

Presumably if they are charged before the vote they wont run. If they are charged and found guilty afterwards there would need to be by-elections.

 

[Two Professors]

Has anyone seen it explained anywhere how this election can be held with the threat of prosecutions hanging over a number of MPs for their fradulent election spending last time?

'Innocent till proved guilty' seems to cover it quite nicely.