Having a quick look at a 6 year old graph I notice that between 1945 and 1971 when the NHS worked brilliantly there was an equal or higher rate of population growth than after 1971. So the answer to your question is yes.
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Having a quick look at a 6 year old graph I notice that between 1945 and 1971 when the NHS worked brilliantly there was an equal or higher rate of population growth than after 1971. So the answer to your question is yes.
The Upper Library
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- May 23, 2013
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No worries-
I think the NHS needs to somehow be taken out of politics . Not sure even if that is a good ideas?!!!
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Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Indefensible position? To not want a nuclear holocaust?
Having a deterrent weapon system seems to have averted a nuclear holocaust for the last 60 odd years.Perhaps the French could try unilateral disarmament first,and you and Corbin could move there to observe.
The NHS needs reform and that includes the way it is financed.
We have an ageing population and whilst we are very good at increasing life expectancy, we are not so good at ensuring quality of life.
The NHS must stop being regarded as a 'Political Religion' , if you will pardon my clumsy expression, and requires the best brains of ALL interested parties to put their collective heads together to decide on the best way forward. I have to say, that whilst the service remains almost free, there will never be enough dosh.
My father set up practice as a GP just before the NHS came to be and his mother qualified as a nurse in 1909. Lots of other medics in the intervening years in our family, so quite a connection with the medical profession.
The NHS has been going for about 70 years and is no longer 'fit for purpose' as is the expression. We can disagree with what should be done, but it is clear that reform is well overdue and just chucking more money at the problem wil solve nothing in the longer term.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Hopefully,our hard-working MP's will soon be on their well deserved holidays,and Jess Phillips and her mates can join them.Apparently,they get even longer holidays than teachers!
Yep - I was walking around Tesco when I noticed my Betfair account had been considerably swelled by the settlement of both the Next PM and the Next Government markets. I treated myself to a little something which is chilling right now.
Queen's Speech rebellion results in shambles as SIX members of the Labour Shadow Cabinet are unceremoniously booted out by Jezza.
#ithasstartedalready
#ithasstartedalready
and a further 43 Labour MPs rebelled against St Jezza's whipping... has he even got enough PLP members who support him to fill the vacancies?
#sameoldlabour
#sameoldlabour
The age matters with recent concerns about immigration by a few I'd have expected it to go skywards. However, if the graph is brought up to date it has a general steady line up from the axis at 66 million today. No sudden spurt upwards and only the slightest of a drop in the 70's.
I agree with you the Health system is not working and we can't use too many people as the excuse.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
The NHS needs reform and that includes the way it is financed.
We have an ageing population and whilst we are very good at increasing life expectancy, we are not so good at ensuring quality of life.
The NHS must stop being regarded as a 'Political Religion' , if you will pardon my clumsy expression, and requires the best brains of ALL interested parties to put their collective heads together to decide on the best way forward. I have to say, that whilst the service remains almost free, there will never be enough dosh.
My father set up practice as a GP just before the NHS came to be and his mother qualified as a nurse in 1909. Lots of other medics in the intervening years in our family, so quite a connection with the medical profession.
The NHS has been going for about 70 years and is no longer 'fit for purpose' as is the expression. We can disagree with what should be done, but it is clear that reform is well overdue and just chucking more money at the problem wil solve nothing in the longer term.
Again, this is a myth people seem to want to believe, that the NHS is unfundable. Put the money in, you'll have a fine NHS. Our % spend of GDP is well below similar economies. You are led to believe it is down to reform or nothing can solve it. Getting up to 10%+ like other comparable countries manage would certainly help!
I've posted a few of these stat links now. Interesting that those countries with higher tax regimes take a greater percentage of GDP as tax revenue and are able to commit a larger percentage of GDP for healthcare. The 'magic money tree' is actually a progressive tax strategy. Not revolutionary, because so many other countries are managing it.
Our percentage of GDP spend is 9.1%
United States 17.1
Sweden 11.9
Switzerland 11.7
France 11.5
Germany 11.3
Austria 11.2
Netherlands 10.9
Denmark 10.8
Belgium 10.6
Canada 10.4
Japan 10.2
Norway 9.7
Finland 9.7
Portugal 9.5
Australia 9.4
Costa Rica 9.3
Italy 9.2
Ecuador 9.2
United Kingdom 9.1
Spain 9.0
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Indefensible position? To not want a nuclear holocaust?
Indefensible position = Leading a party that is committed to retaining a nuclear deterrent .. a policy he doesn't support, costing tens of billions when he always bangs on about more spending being needed for public services. Where are his principles?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Is that like campaigning for remain then leading the party to brexit?
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Some people seem to think all the poison, division, and chaos had disappeared because of the election result and that Labour were now united .. how wrong they were.
Government in waiting.
midnight_rendezvous
Well-known member
Having a deterrent weapon system seems to have averted a nuclear holocaust for the last 60 odd years.Perhaps the French could try unilateral disarmament first,and you and Corbin could move there to observe.
Except it's not a deterrent as we aren't under threat from any nuclear power
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Just like the cabinet on Brexit then.
BensGrandad
New member
Some people seem to think all the poison, division, and chaos had disappeared because of the election result and that Labour were now united .. how wrong they were.
Government in waiting.
Hopefully they will have a long wait, like 2035. election if there is one then.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Good point he did that as well.
Wrong-Direction
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- Mar 10, 2013
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You're 100% right about it being deliberately run into the ground it's just a shame the majority of the general public can't see it!
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Some people seem to think all the poison, division, and chaos had disappeared because of the election result and that Labour were now united .. how wrong they were.
Government in waiting.
It is the political fallout of most referendums. Incompatible with parliamentary party politics.