General Election 2017

[Raleigh Chopper]

So to sum it up.
Public sector workers get no pay rise because there is no magic money tree.
1 billion is picked from this non existent tree, waved at those workers who save lives working a 12 hour shift but snatched away to buy a few seats in the commons so that they can push through no extra pay for public sector workers.
And people actually voted to keep these animals in power.
This is no longer the decent country I was brought up in, it's gone down the Khazi, hang your heads in total shame if you voted Conservative, they really do detest the poor and the vulnerable.

 

[beorhthelm]

So to sum it up.
Public sector workers get no pay rise because there is no magic money tree.
1 billion is picked from this non existent tree, waved at those workers who save lives working a 12 hour shift but snatched away to buy a few seats in the commons so that they can push through no extra pay for public sector workers.
And people actually voted to keep these animals in power.
This is no longer the decent country I was brought up in, it's gone down the Khazi, hang your heads in total shame if you voted Conservative, they really do detest the poor and the vulnerable.

you do understand where this billion is going to right? to nurses and other public sector, to infrasture etc.in Northern Ireland. so what you're arguing is you dont want them to have something unless you have it too. i can understand the objection to the politics of it all, but really dont get this disgust at politicans trading funding for their constituents and power, when its esstentially everything politics is about. ask your local MP what they are going to secure for thier vote. we already hear the rumours the pay cap is going, denied but it wasnt put out by accident. the deficit reduction has been put back another parliament, there will be loser spending in the coming years. ironically it would have been more available if they'd kept to ditching the triple lock and mean testing some benefits.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

So to sum it up.
Public sector workers get no pay rise because there is no magic money tree.
1 billion is picked from this non existent tree, waved at those workers who save lives working a 12 hour shift but snatched away to buy a few seats in the commons so that they can push through no extra pay for public sector workers.
And people actually voted to keep these animals in power.
This is no longer the decent country I was brought up in, it's gone down the Khazi, hang your heads in total shame if you voted Conservative, they really do detest the poor and the vulnerable.

So what was the alternative?

Have another election?

There is no way the Tories are going to the polls, with Tezza in charge, so we would have waited three months for the Tories to elect a new leader, probably in the circumstances Boris. Then he would have called an election, maybe November at the earliest or even next spring.

So what happens to Brexit in the meantime. The EU sees us in turmoil, and we get completely shafted. At least this way the EU sees we now have what it takes to get our Brexit bill passed.

So it cost us a billion today, but as we now have what we need to get Brexit sorted, in the long term it could save us Tens of billions, even hundred of billions.

It really doesn't help your argument to use cliches.

Wait for the budget for the pay rises. If they don't come then moan. I'll moan with you. But it will make no difference to their pay whether it was today's amendment or if they do it in the Autumn. All passing it today would have done is make a weak PM even weaker and probably forced and election.

But it doesn't help your argument coming out with crap like the Tories really hate the poor and the vulnerable. Because it might be hard for you to understand, 42% of this country are not super rich and 42% of this country do not hate the poor and vulnerable.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Very well put, it really is totally pathetic, like they think that they are actually Tory MP's and they must tow the party line, even though we have a massive child poverty problem, makes me want to throw up.

Elections are not won by the likes of them anyway.

The left and right fanboys will always vote the same way.
Elections are won by persuading the undecided and the previous non-voters of your argument.

Corbyn's strategy of appealing to the youth vote is paying dividends.
Can he keep it going until the next election?

 

[Mental Lental]

Good article here....It's about America but it applies to the UK as well.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...811e4b0f078efd98440?ncid=engmodushpmg00000003

 

[Chicken Run]

Public sector workers have been held to 1% since 2013, they have done there bit for far too long, and 1 Billion is waved under their noses and snatched away, how can anyone with an ounce of decency not want them to be given more pay, people on 70k should have their tax raised by 1p and 100k by 2p they really would not miss it, as far as I am aware there has been no tax hikes for the rich since austerity began, it is there turn now. i dont get why people would not agree to this, its just fair.

I totally agree!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Quite clever by Labour, they knew the Tories wouldn't vote it through and it potentially builds more momentum given the recent fire and terrorist attacks.

 

[cirC]

We all see things in a different perspective..

Any inheritance that the kids were hoping for may well go down the gutter to join JC's mates.

 

[CHAPPERS]

We all see things in a different perspective..

Any inheritance that the kids were hoping for may well go down the gutter to join JC's mates.

Michael Eavis gives 2 million pounds a year to charity.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

We all see things in a different perspective..
http://i67.tinypic.com/w9afxs.jpg[/IMG/QUOTE] Desperate stuff.

Where exactly should "millionaire" JC have lived for the past 30 years? Or are you referring to all his shareholdings, buy-to-let portfolio and tax avoidance...??

The mainly inherited demographic bias among the young people cheering him is the result of decades of policy that he seeks to change. It is an almighty challenge but he has a Labour manifesto that would go some of the way and he is convincing more supporters about it every day.

 

[Ernest]

 

[Ron Manager]

 

[attila]

A reflection on the Corbyn/Glastonbury event and the Corbyn phenomenon, for want of a better word, in general.

There's nothing new about Jeremy: he's been saying the same thing for 35 years.

It's not a personality cult. He was an unassuming Left backbench candidate in a leadership election transformed by a rule change who has risen magnificently to the - gloriously unexpected - challenges he faces.

It's the IDEAS he represents which have struck a chord. Ideas reviled and written off for so long, their exponents mostly ignored by the mainstream media and if discussed at all dismissed as 'dinosaurs' - while hundreds of thousands of people never forsook those ideas and hoped for a day when their essential justice and goodness would once again bring them to mass acceptance.

I can talk about this first hand. I have earned my living as a socialist performance poet for 36 years more or less ignored by mainstream media but, I'm happy to say, supported by thousands of people all over the world.

The most wonderful compliment I have had at my gigs through the decades has also been the most common one. 'Thank you for saying what you are saying, I thought I was on my own and no one thought like me any more'.

Through my travels over all those years I always knew there were thousands, nay, millions of us out there and all we needed was a banner to unite under.

Ironically, of course, it was a Labour leadership election rule change brought in by the Right to assuage the Tory press by 'lessening the power of the unions' which gave us that unifying banner - and the rest is history!

It's not just the young. Our support goes right across the board and a massive element of it is people who had completely given up on 'politics' ('they're all the same') and now see a reason to vote - and in many cases get involved too.

A great example of this is my own constituency of East Worthing & Shoreham. A 16,000 Tory majority reduced to 5,000, simply by having a good local candidate presenting a manifesto which addressed the concerns of people beaten down by endless years of Tory austerity, while appealing to the kindness of their fellow citizens who are doing OK. It was THAT which resonated in our comparatively comfortable (with pockets of extreme poverty) bit of West Sussex.

A manifesto of hope and fairness, the opposite of Tory appeals to naked self interest. The number of comfortably off people I spoke to who said 'I voted Tory in the past but I am ashamed of the food banks and the homelessness in this country and am very happy to pay more to live in a more caring society...'A manifesto which is resonating for sure. Half the population want taxes increased to end austerity.

We mustn't get carried away. We didn't win. We lost 4-3 in the away leg of a two leg tie when we were expected to lose 7-0, and only lost at all because the opposition have teamed up with a feeder club with a disciplinary record worse than George Best, Joey Barton and John Terry combined!

This coalition of chaos won't last. The second leg will be soon. We know where we are. We know what to do....

 

[BLOCK F]

A reflection on the Corbyn/Glastonbury event and the Corbyn phenomenon, for want of a better word, in general.

There's nothing new about Jeremy: he's been saying the same thing for 35 years.

It's not a personality cult. He was an unassuming Left backbench candidate in a leadership election transformed by a rule change who has risen magnificently to the - gloriously unexpected - challenges he faces.

It's the IDEAS he represents which have struck a chord. Ideas reviled and written off for so long, their exponents mostly ignored by the mainstream media and if discussed at all dismissed as 'dinosaurs' - while hundreds of thousands of people never forsook those ideas and hoped for a day when their essential justice and goodness would once again bring them to mass acceptance.

I can talk about this first hand. I have earned my living as a socialist performance poet for 36 years more or less ignored by mainstream media but, I'm happy to say, supported by thousands of people all over the world.

The most wonderful compliment I have had at my gigs through the decades has also been the most common one. 'Thank you for saying what you are saying, I thought I was on my own and no one thought like me any more'.

Through my travels over all those years I always knew there were thousands, nay, millions of us out there and all we needed was a banner to unite under.

Ironically, of course, it was a Labour leadership election rule change brought in by the Right to assuage the Tory press by 'lessening the power of the unions' which gave us that unifying banner - and the rest is history!

It's not just the young. Our support goes right across the board and a massive element of it is people who had completely given up on 'politics' ('they're all the same') and now see a reason to vote - and in many cases get involved too.

A great example of this is my own constituency of East Worthing & Shoreham. A 16,000 Tory majority reduced to 5,000, simply by having a good local candidate presenting a manifesto which addressed the concerns of people beaten down by endless years of Tory austerity, while appealing to the kindness of their fellow citizens who are doing OK. It was THAT which resonated in our comparatively comfortable (with pockets of extreme poverty) bit of West Sussex.

A manifesto of hope and fairness, the opposite of Tory appeals to naked self interest. The number of comfortably off people I spoke to who said 'I voted Tory in the past but I am ashamed of the food banks and the homelessness in this country and am very happy to pay more to live in a more caring society...'A manifesto which is resonating for sure. Half the population want taxes increased to end austerity.

We mustn't get carried away. We didn't win. We lost 4-3 in the away leg of a two leg tie when we were expected to lose 7-0, and only lost at all because the opposition have teamed up with a feeder club with a disciplinary record worse than George Best, Joey Barton and John Terry combined!

This coalition of chaos won't last. The second leg will be soon. We know where we are. We know what to do....

Oh 'Hail the Messiah'.
Attila, whilst I respect your consistency in your political beliefs, I truly hope there are sufficient people in this country who do not wish to be governed by Marxist Corbyn and McDonnell, not to mention Diane Abbott in charge of much of our security services.Add in Len Mccluskey for good measure and wow, I would seriously fear for future of the UK.
I consider Mrs. May to be a very poor leader and her days are numbered, but the thought of a rabble rouser like McDonnell and a false prophet like Corbyn anywhere near the levers of power is not something I would wish to contemplate.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Labour no thank you.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Interesting amendment to the Queen's Speech to be voted on today, regarding access to abortion. Some tories wil revolt.

Edit, Also Umunna's amendment on Brexit, which is a good thing, though not for Labour.

 

[mikeyjh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-40431701

I guess this dismisses the myth that food bank users are all smoking, drinking, Sky TV addicts.
"Almost two-thirds of users had a health condition, half of households using food banks included someone with a disability and a third had mental health problems"

Tory Britain in 2017.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I didn't want to start a new thread, but some good news coming out of Mosul, in Iraq, today.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...l-raqqa-us-led-coalition-forces-a7814281.html

 

[The Upper Library]

A reflection on the Corbyn/Glastonbury event and the Corbyn phenomenon, for want of a better word, in general.

There's nothing new about Jeremy: he's been saying the same thing for 35 years.

It's not a personality cult. He was an unassuming Left backbench candidate in a leadership election transformed by a rule change who has risen magnificently to the - gloriously unexpected - challenges he faces.

It's the IDEAS he represents which have struck a chord. Ideas reviled and written off for so long, their exponents mostly ignored by the mainstream media and if discussed at all dismissed as 'dinosaurs' - while hundreds of thousands of people never forsook those ideas and hoped for a day when their essential justice and goodness would once again bring them to mass acceptance.

I can talk about this first hand. I have earned my living as a socialist performance poet for 36 years more or less ignored by mainstream media but, I'm happy to say, supported by thousands of people all over the world.

The most wonderful compliment I have had at my gigs through the decades has also been the most common one. 'Thank you for saying what you are saying, I thought I was on my own and no one thought like me any more'.

Through my travels over all those years I always knew there were thousands, nay, millions of us out there and all we needed was a banner to unite under.

Ironically, of course, it was a Labour leadership election rule change brought in by the Right to assuage the Tory press by 'lessening the power of the unions' which gave us that unifying banner - and the rest is history!

It's not just the young. Our support goes right across the board and a massive element of it is people who had completely given up on 'politics' ('they're all the same') and now see a reason to vote - and in many cases get involved too.

A great example of this is my own constituency of East Worthing & Shoreham. A 16,000 Tory majority reduced to 5,000, simply by having a good local candidate presenting a manifesto which addressed the concerns of people beaten down by endless years of Tory austerity, while appealing to the kindness of their fellow citizens who are doing OK. It was THAT which resonated in our comparatively comfortable (with pockets of extreme poverty) bit of West Sussex.

A manifesto of hope and fairness, the opposite of Tory appeals to naked self interest. The number of comfortably off people I spoke to who said 'I voted Tory in the past but I am ashamed of the food banks and the homelessness in this country and am very happy to pay more to live in a more caring society...'A manifesto which is resonating for sure. Half the population want taxes increased to end austerity.

We mustn't get carried away. We didn't win. We lost 4-3 in the away leg of a two leg tie when we were expected to lose 7-0, and only lost at all because the opposition have teamed up with a feeder club with a disciplinary record worse than George Best, Joey Barton and John Terry combined!

This coalition of chaos won't last. The second leg will be soon. We know where we are. We know what to do....

Thank you Atilla - keep up the good work.
Similar experience where I live in Worthing West. Excellent labour candidate in Beccy Cooper.

My wife and I have both worked in the NHS for 23 years. Front line services - there have always been challenges but during this last 18 months I am witnessing first hand the crumbling of this service.
Unfortunately it will only be when the NHS goes that people will truly realise what they have lost.


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[HH Brighton]

We all see things in a different perspective..

Any inheritance that the kids were hoping for may well go down the gutter to join JC's mates.

Thanks for the morons perspective. You might want to research Michael Eavis and Glastonbury's donations to charities first.