General Election 2017

[Questions]

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[Guinness Boy]

We all grow up eventually and priorities change. I can remember when I was young and part of the rave scene going on a March in London off my face and rallying against thatcher and the criminal justice bill.
Listened to the older ravers and had a tear up with the old bill.

I grew up, started working and paying a mortgage and saw others around me swinging the lead whilst I was grafting away.

Some of Corbyn babies will stay left wing but most will move on into society and see sense[emoji6]

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Young / old, rave / work, left / right.
None of them are dichotomies.

I know ageing socialists, successful businessman who get f***ed up at weekends, socially liberal free marketeers and young entrepreneurs. Seeing sense is entirely subjective


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[Stato]

would you pay 5-10p more income tax for all these things?

Yes. That's what they do in Sweden and they are continuously in the top ten countries in the world for health care, education, standard of living, equality and happiness.

 

[beorhthelm]

I would start by raising income tax by 2p for lower rate, 5 p for upper rate, CT up to 26%, inheritance tax to start at half a million.
Invest in infrastructure, loans to cover this are like a mortgage, good debt if you like. Remove Private schools charitable status, do you realise, private schools get 80% rebate on business rates,state schools pay the full 100%? Tax heavily buy to let property, freeing up the bottom step on the property ladder for our youngsters, this would have to be managed by someone far cleverer than me, but, then again, I'm only an ordinary bloke, and these are just stuff I have thought of off the top of my head

And I forgot, really go after tax dodgers, the legal but immoral, and the plain old illegal. The big multinational companies must be made to understand, if they want to trade in this country they must pay their share, no sweetheart deals,and no offshore holding companies


Oh, and remain in the EU, cos if we don't we're buggered who Evers in charge.

started well, faded in the middle... lets park EU. seems people say they want to see increased taxation for public services, but the politicians arent offering that. why go off punishing anyone though, surely more simple straight forward rule is to have no tax for any school. our tax system is full of perversion like that, because its a play thing for politicans to promote ideology or change behaviour rather than an means to raise revenue, get rid of tax dodging by clearing out reams of tax law along the way. there's consequence to taxes, irony this is used for sin taxes but somehow ignored when its for ideology.

 

[ManOfSussex]

This is like being on The Titanic, and that came out of Northern Ireland too.

It looked wonderful, it could never sink, it hit the iceberg, it could never sink, it didn't matter - the rich people could never sink and quite right too - and now the water is coming in and everyone has realised the fact and there's not enough life rafts and the crew and officers are out of their depth to the point of being f****ng useless. Nothing I can do though. I'll put on my Sunday best, order another brandy and be prepared to go down like a gentleman (preferably on an Eastern European NHS nurse if we had any left )

In the meantime, our Conservative and Unionist Government tries to steady the ship.......................... ..................

 

[Scotchegg]

You'd have thought someone somewhere in Toryland would have told them to pack this bullshit away by now.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/874364778046775296

Genuinely turning into absurdity.

 

[Bozza]

You'd have thought someone somewhere in Toryland would have told them to pack this bullshit away by now.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/874364778046775296

Genuinely turning into absurdity.

Shameful.

Does anyone know what Corbyn et al are up to currently whilst the election winners get on with forming the next government?

 

[ManOfSussex]

Shameful.

Does anyone know what Corbyn et al are up to currently whilst the election winners get on with forming the next government?

Meeting and connecting with ordinary people in a way that no Tory could dream of?

 

[Notters]

Is that from the last time where Labour got the deficit down to < £10B whilst taking millions of people out of poverty?

No that can't be right; they're nice therefore they must be incompetent; surely?

 

[Scotchegg]

Shameful.

Does anyone know what Corbyn et al are up to currently whilst the election winners get on with forming the next government?

Chomping at the bit for the tories to sort this mess out temporarily so they can get on with their jobs as the opposition I guess. Aside from that they only really have a duty to make half plans for forming a government in the 0.001% chance the tories reach their final form and feast on each others misery in the coming days.

 

[Scotchegg]

Austerity is over now her jobs on the line. Glad to see she had a line drawn somewhere.

 

[Buzzer]

You'd have thought someone somewhere in Toryland would have told them to pack this bullshit away by now.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/874364778046775296

Genuinely turning into absurdity.

She has no credibility. None. She has to go. I slagged off Corbyn for cosying up to terrorists and lo and behold, Theresa May goes one better and considers inviting homophobic terrorist supporters into her government. Disgraceful. They should never have even been an option. Minority government working alongside other parties and trying to reach a broad consensus should be the way forward not getting into bed with religious zealots.

If May goes and with her Gove, Boris and Hunt AND the Tories stay well away from the DUP then I think we may have accidentally got a good result all round. It will be consensus politics that will have to pull towards the centre ground and definitely no more disability benefit cuts nastiness.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Austerity was never needed to that level in the first place.
She ain't getting away with it that easily.
She is a nasty, evil and devisive bitch, a power crazy control freak and the quicker she is flushed down the Tory Khazi with the rest of the turds the better.

 

[Scotchegg]

She has no credibility. None. She has to go. I slagged off Corbyn for cosying up to terrorists and lo and behold, Theresa May goes one better and considers inviting homophobic terrorist supporters into her government. Disgraceful. They should never have even been an option. Minority government working alongside other parties and trying to reach a broad consensus should be the way forward not getting into bed with religious zealots.

If May goes and with her Gove, Boris and Hunt AND the Tories stay well away from the DUP then I think we may have accidentally got a good result all round. It will be consensus politics that will have to pull towards the centre ground and definitely no more disability benefit cuts nastiness.

If the times headline has anything to it, I think you might be right. This latest rebrand could well be a result, but they're very much in a deficit as far as trust and goodwill goes. Still interesting days ahead. The election that keeps on giving.

 

[Buzzer]

She is a nasty, evil and devisive bitch

Don't be silly. Evil is Ian Brady, evil is Pol Pot, evil is Irma Grese. She's not even nasty, just incompetent. When you bandy around those words to describe mainstream politicians then it kind of makes them all but redundant. And gender-specific insults at women are not really the done thing nowadays.

 

[lawros left foot]

Are they going to admit austerity was a huge mistake, and apologise for the misery and grief that they have caused to ordinary people, the disabled,and the poor.



No, I thought not, im not holding my breath.

 

[Scotchegg]

Are they going to admit austerity was a huge mistake, and apologise for the misery and grief that they have caused to ordinary people, the disabled,and the poor.



No, I thought not, im not holding my breath.

I'm sort of somewhere between you and buzzer at the moment. Like I said very much in deficit with goodwill and trust, but they did win the right to first crack at forming a government so this could be the best worst case if you like.

I worked as a carer and the guy is still a good friend and I've seen firsthand how the disability cuts have ****ed good people. As a half measure until this shambles calls another election, I'll take the best worst case rather than May simply doubling down.

I'm also torn over the times headline, part of me is happy that this is what a decent opposition does and forcing the tories to wake up to the realities of austerity is good news. But the cynic and emotional side says **** these ********s, pulling the plug as soon as their livelihoods are threatened is repulsive.

 

[Buzzer]

Are they going to admit austerity was a huge mistake, and apologise for the misery and grief that they have caused to ordinary people, the disabled,and the poor.
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I don't think austerity was a mistake, we can't keep spending more than we take in indefinitely. What was a mistake, well...it wasn't a mistake rather than an ideological point of principle was where the cuts were made. When someone like Ian Duncan-Smith says that benefits are being cut too far then you know you're in trouble. I think if anyone has even a basic understanding of the effect of, say,a £15 a week cut to someone trying to manage on £100 a week then it would never have happened. I don't think Osborne made the decision maliciously but he was supremely ignorant. Definitely say sorry for that and rectify it and ensure it never happens again.

Also an admission that "we're all in it together" was never true. For individuals and for income tax there's an argument that the burden was spread fairly. Over the last few years, the tax the UK collected from the highest earners has increased as a percentage of overall tax quite noticeably. Not so true for corporation tax and although corporation tax receipts have increased, I don't think anyone can argue that there were any austerity measures that were placed upon them nor pressure brought to bear on those companies whose tax avoidance went so far as to take the p*ss.

 

[barchetta]

You carry on with the top 5% getting richer under austerity, whilst kids school meals are taken away, disabled loose 30 pounds a week and told to go find a job that don't exist for them.

the latest i heard is that by exiting the eu off shore tax havens won't have to be transparent about who owns what and from where it came from.

the many lining the pockets of the few and turkeys carry on voting for christmas.

 

[5ways]

Call it the Brexit effect.