General Election 2017

[Mental Lental]

This was going to be the first election I'd missed since the first one I was old enough to vote, '87 or whenever it was. Had a late change of heart though.

This is definitely the most interesting one in my time as an eligible voter. I don't think he'll win but it does look like the Tory majority will be reduced or maybe even a hung parliament. Now THAT would make things interesting.

 

[The Clamp]

you are having a laugh. They are all coming true There was a long brexit thread where I was very clear what I was voting for. Go and have a brush up.
The points I supported in there are all coming true unlike your predictions.
You types are very keen on telling us what we didn’t vote for .Considering you claim to be so knowledgeable on what we didn’t vote for you should have no problem in telling us what a LEAVE EU vote was for on those major issues.
Care to expand…….no I didn’t think so.

You can't be this thick!? Nobody voting leave knew what they were voting for. As for your predictions coming true, are you on glue? Negotiations haven't even started yet, you dolt.

You've totally misunderstood the basic point but it's fun watching you backtrack. I shan't explain it to you again as judging by the above fumbling post, you've realised your mistake. Have a lovely day, it's gonna be a scorcher.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Boris JohnsonBBC
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson says the government wants to cut corporation tax so the UK has the most competitive business environment "anywhere, certainly in Western Europe".

He tells Sky News that to achieve £8bn investment in the NHS and put more police on the streets a strong government is needed.

When the Brexit negotiations are completed it will be possible to put some of the £350m a week that the UK pays into the EU back into the NHS, he says.


Back on the £350 million a week

 

[The Clamp]

Lucas was fantastic last night. And making sense over giving another referendum once the proposed deals are in place. She is strong and stable.

 

[studio150]

So what was the reason for opposing the 2006 Terrorism Act then? I haven't heard Corbyn's explanation for it but Diane Abbott claims (and I'll take a stab that he is in broad agreement) that it was because of a worry that the word "glorifying" in connection with terrorism was vague. And what was his reasons for voting against the 2000 Terrorism Act? Once again, we have Diane Abbott's - that the list of proscribed organisations was too broad and included legitimate democratic groups. Tellingly though, Andrew Marr asked her which groups on the list she objected to but she wouldn't say. Both of these were seriously needed pieces of legislation. Anjem Choudhry is locked up and can't incite or recruit because of the 2000 Act.

Given that he voted against so many, you can't take a specific reason for one and apply it across God knows how many anti-terror bills that he's opposed. You have to conclude - because he's said it himself no less - that he opposes anti-terror legislation on principle. Now I know that won't be evidence enough for some people but when someone boasts about having opposed anti-terror legislation generally, I kind of take it that they oppose anti-terror legislation generally rather than hand-wringing about how much court oversight there will be of new legislation.

Genuine request - maybe you can have a look through the names of terrorist organisations on the 2000 list and tell me which ones shouldn't be there. I did have a look after the Abbott/Marr interview and as far as I could tell all the original groups were genuinely terrorists. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/contents

This blind spot that people have with him is astonishing. Honestly, if Alan Johnson was now leading the Labour Party and Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott were still backbenchers then most people wouldn't give him the time of day. You'd all be dismissing him as an extremist loon.

You may wish to read Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000.
Next time you are at an Airport, Port or International Rail Station don't be surprised that you are whisked away to be detained and questioned missing your departure time. The Poluce don't even need to believe you are a terrorist or likely to assist one to detain you.
A police state?

 

[Bold Seagull]

This is definitely the most interesting one in my time as an eligible voter. I don't think he'll win but it does look like the Tory majority will be reduced or maybe even a hung parliament. Now THAT would make things interesting.

Not increasing her majority is surely a defeat for May? She has only called this election, at great cost and uncertainty to increase her majority - anything less than an increase is a failure, giving her less of a mandate than she started with, weakening her position. She will be forced to concede and compromise with parliament - democracy in action.

There is a great message in this election that the Tories are not as popular as they think they are, that people want to see a fair tax system balancing contributions, and investment in our services. Will she listen once this is over? If however she does increase her majority than it will be a victory depending on the increase and she will feel vindicated. Very interesting week ahead.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This is definitely the most interesting one in my time as an eligible voter. I don't think he'll win but it does look like the Tory majority will be reduced or maybe even a hung parliament. Now THAT would make things interesting.

In some respects it's interesting. In others it's depressing. But a hung parliament will be an interesting outcome and will allow all sides to properly discuss Brexit

 

[Fungus]

Boris JohnsonBBC
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson says the government wants to cut corporation tax so the UK has the most competitive business environment "anywhere, certainly in Western Europe".

He tells Sky News that to achieve £8bn investment in the NHS and put more police on the streets a strong government is needed.

When the Brexit negotiations are completed it will be possible to put some of the £350m a week that the UK pays into the EU back into the NHS, he says.


Back on the £350 million a week

Last week he was trying to tell us that Cornwall "might" get some of that money!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not increasing her majority is surely a defeat for May? She has only called this election, at great cost and uncertainty to increase her majority - anything less than an increase is a failure, giving her less of a mandate than she started with, weakening her position. She will be forced to concede and compromise with parliament - democracy in action.

There is a great message in this election that the Tories are not as popular as they think they are, that people want to see a fair tax system balancing contributions, and investment in our services. Will she listen once this is over? If however she does increase her majority than it will be a victory depending on the increase and she will feel vindicated. Very interesting week ahead.

If she doesn't pull this off, i.e. Increase her majority, then I can't see her staying around much longer.....the knives will be out quickly and she will be very exposed.

 

[Buzzer]

You may wish to read Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000.
Next time you are at an Airport, Port or International Rail Station don't be surprised that you are whisked away to be detained and questioned missing your departure time. The Poluce don't even need to believe you are a terrorist or likely to assist one to detain you.
A police state?

You make it sound as if it's recent legislation that the police will definitely use and their readiness to use it is an indication of a police state. This legislation has been in force for 17 years. I commute to an international train station daily around 250 times a year, I regularly use airports. I've never once been detained by police using this act. I don't know anyone who has been detained in those 17 years under that act. Let's assume I get stopped in the next few years then If I get detained by police once every 5000 trips or once every twenty years I won't complain much.

No, in answer to your question that is not indicative of a police state just hyperbole. "Don't be surprised"....does it happen often then? You're comment definitely suggests that it does.

 

[vegster]

The right wing Tory press getting jittery looking at the headlines today. A beauty from The Express " Corbyn's plan to bring in migrant workers "... Pretty sure he has mentioned several times that low paid migrant workers have been used to undercut British workers wages.... Ah well, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline eh?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Boris JohnsonBBC
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson says the government wants to cut corporation tax so the UK has the most competitive business environment "anywhere, certainly in Western Europe".

He tells Sky News that to achieve £8bn investment in the NHS and put more police on the streets a strong government is needed.

When the Brexit negotiations are completed it will be possible to put some of the £350m a week that the UK pays into the EU back into the NHS, he says.


Back on the £350 million a week

But how much of that 350 million is needed to pay for the government admin stuff which is currently, in effect, out sourced to the EU. Simple things like standards for children's toys are currently managed, administered and enforced by the EU. Someone in the UK will need to take all this on. And this is just toys. My industry has heavily regulated and numerous, thousands, of rules and laws currently administered by the EU. Who will physically enforce these? And where will the money come from?

 

[studio150]

You make it sound as if it's recent legislation that the police will definitely use and their readiness to use it is an indication of a police state. This legislation has been in force for 17 years. I commute to an international train station daily around 250 times a year, I regularly use airports. I've never once been detained by police using this act. I don't know anyone who has been detained in those 17 years under that act. Let's assume I get stopped in the next few years then If I get detained by police once every 5000 trips or once every twenty years I won't complain much.

No, in answer to your question that is not indicative of a police state just hyperbole. "Don't be surprised"....does it happen often then? You're comment definitely suggests that it does.

2011/12 69,109 people were detained under this legislation just as an example.

If you're happy to be detained and miss your flight and need to rebook at your own cost with no legal redress then I'm happy for you.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You make it sound as if it's recent legislation that the police will definitely use and their readiness to use it is an indication of a police state. This legislation has been in force for 17 years. I commute to an international train station daily around 250 times a year, I regularly use airports. I've never once been detained by police using this act. I don't know anyone who has been detained in those 17 years under that act. Let's assume I get stopped in the next few years then If I get detained by police once every 5000 trips or once every twenty years I won't complain much.

No, in answer to your question that is not indicative of a police state just hyperbole. "Don't be surprised"....does it happen often then? You're comment definitely suggests that it does.

But as Henry Rollins said "we play for the A team". Being white, western, male, educated, healthy we are unlikely to get hassle. Same as stop and search (or it's US equivalent of being shot dead*). Never happened to me....but then I'm not black.

PS I think the quote is from Rollins.

* joke

 

[Buzzer]

2011/12 69,109 people were detained under this legislation just as an example.

If you're happy to be detained and miss your flight and need to rebook at your own cost with no legal redress then I'm happy for you.

This would have been around about the time that lots of young men were off to join ISIS, I'm guessing so could explain it. I don't know but quoting stats in isolation is meaningless so perhaps some context from yourself. What were they for, how many were legitimate based on intel and how many were speculative? And what proportion of all people travelling through UK airports and international train stations does that represent? Why have you only selected 2011/12? Was that the peak that you are quoting without context? Are those separate people or do they include persons detained multiple times?

You seem determined to paint this as an example of a police state so I'm sure you'll have at least one or two answers to those questions.

 

[Buzzer]

But as Henry Rollins said "we play for the A team". Being white, western, male, educated, healthy we are unlikely to get hassle. Same as stop and search (or it's US equivalent of being shot). Never happened to me....but then I'm not black.

PS I think the quote is from Rollins.

I work for a company that's 65% non-white. Just done a vox pop of the 11 people on my floor who fit that demographic and none of them have experienced this nor have they any friends or family that have suffered it either. Completely unscientific, of course, but still a fairly good indicator of different experiences.

We're in danger of getting bogged down in minutiae here of Studio150's making. He's clutching at straws and he knows it.

 

[The Clamp]

May got trounced last night and she hadn't even bothered to turn up. She's a laughing stock and ****wits will still vote for her.

 

[The Clamp]

Last week he was trying to tell us that Cornwall "might" get some of that money!

Yep. People simply do not realise how much the EU gives us back compared to what our own government will give us. None of us will ever see any of that 350 Million or any of the other money.

 

[Silk]

May got trounced last night and she hadn't even bothered to turn up. She's a laughing stock and ****wits will still vote for her.

Theresa May is the biggest example of "bottling it" that I've seen. If she still wins the election, it will be because she had a decent head start and a short enough campaign not to completely destroy all her support. A coward, unable and unwilling to stand up and defend her own governments record. She's making herself look anything but strong and stable.

 

[Buzzer]

Theresa May is the biggest example of "bottling it" that I've seen.

Nah. The biggest bottler will always be Paul Ince and that penalty shoot-out. Guv'nor? Not likely.