glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
the SNP have already said they will vote against the tories if they get to power, they will be a bit like labour only further to the left
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the SNP have already said they will vote against the tories if they get to power, they will be a bit like labour only further to the left
Yeah of course it is.
Same as they are making this up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...3825/Aid-budget-to-increase-by-1-billion.html
Oh hang on, a few others are "making this up"
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=+...-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=XSEgVc__DJLYas62gOgD
The point I was making is that the SNP are currently on course to take anything between 28 - 35 seats from Labour in Scotland. These are seats that Labour strategists would have relied upon when calculating their expected total. They are now going to have to find another 30 or seats in England and Wales that they believe they can take form the Tories just to counter-act the ones they are going to lose in Scotland.
The paradox is that every seat the SNP win simply makes Labour's task of forming the next government harder. This is why Tories have been so fulsome in their praise of Nicola Sturgeon since Thursday's Leaders' debate.
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
Latest poll out , this is from Opinium/Observer
Con 33%
Lab 33%
UKIP 14%
Green 7%
LD 7%
Con 33%
Lab 33%
UKIP 14%
Green 7%
LD 7%
From Survation:
Ed Miliband will fail to lead his party to an outright majority at the election because of the rise of the SNP.
A Daily Record/ Survation poll found that the SNP is set to win 47 seats in Scotland and Labour just 10 as almost half of Scots vote for Nicola Sturgeon's party.
Damian Lyons Lowe, chief executive of Survation, said that the results "could cost Ed Miliband the chance of a small workable majority in May".
He said that the results would leave Labour 31 seats short of the 321 seats it needs to win a majority in Westminster. If the SNP succeed in taking 21 seats from Labour another Conservative/ Liberal Democrat Coalition is the likely result.
Ed Miliband will fail to lead his party to an outright majority at the election because of the rise of the SNP.
A Daily Record/ Survation poll found that the SNP is set to win 47 seats in Scotland and Labour just 10 as almost half of Scots vote for Nicola Sturgeon's party.
Damian Lyons Lowe, chief executive of Survation, said that the results "could cost Ed Miliband the chance of a small workable majority in May".
He said that the results would leave Labour 31 seats short of the 321 seats it needs to win a majority in Westminster. If the SNP succeed in taking 21 seats from Labour another Conservative/ Liberal Democrat Coalition is the likely result.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
The problem is that you said in post 2879 that the SNP's rise will lead to Cameron being returned to No 10. Now the Tories are going to get one seat, at best, in Scotland. Therefore Scotland is irrelevant as to whether the Tories are returned to power. What matters is what goes on in England. I do agree that the SNP will prevent a majority Labour government, but it's not clear who will be in a position to organise either a Coalition or, more likely, a minority government. At present, it's looking far more likely that it will be Labour that are in the position to make this decision.
The Tories and their cheerleaders in the press are, as ever, trying to make mischief.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
It's not mischief but the Tories and their Press poodles are shit scared now of a Milliband/Sturgeon government hence all the bullshit stories that are appearing, trouble is they can't fight on their record over the last 5 years so have to resort to lies and scaremongering
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They're reporting the same single piece of misinformation.
Vegas Seagull
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Tories have been backed yet again in both Brighton Kemptown & Hove today
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Greece? Spain? Slovakia?
The Birdman
New member
Labour could lose seats in Wales thanks to the Welsh lass standing up against Farage the other night. But let's hope you guys in Brighton vote for anything else than the greens they are further left than the SNP. We have better recycling in Tory run Mid Sussex than you have in Brighton and our council tax has been frozen again .
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Very much this. I trust the UK to see through this bullshit though.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
I'm going to have to disappoint you, as I'll be voting Green in both national and local elections. Caroline Lucas will be returned in Pavilion in all likelihood, and let me predict that the Greens do a lot better in the council elections than many are predicting. But please explain what recycling has got to do with our local MP. Council tax freezes constitute a real terms reduction, which we've been subjected to for far too long, and results in poorer local services.
Horton's halftime iceberg
Blooming Marvellous
Yes but we have a very good Green MP who stands up for her great values (who has nothing/v little to do with recycling quotas or council tax in our town) and you have a Tory MP always will have, and will never have a choice to change that
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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If this was to be the case then the debates are counter-productive as people then start to vote on personality rather than policy.
Before Thursday the parties wanted to avoid talking about coalition options. Yet the leaders debate has now made it the main topic, and MIchael Gove's talking up of Sturgeon and the SNP on QT has muddied the waters even more.
Hatterlovesbrighton
something clever
Not quite true. While you're right that the conservatives won't gain any MPs from
Labour losing to SNP it may well mean that they get more MPs than labour meaning they can say they "won" the election and so have the "moral" authority to have first go at forming a government.
It amazes my how many people on here seem take such an interest in our Green MP and the council, whereas I couldn't give a flying **** who the MP is in Worthing, Mid Sussex or Grimsby etc.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
As the incumbent, the Tories had under the previous rules (and may still do) have first dib in the eventuality of a hung parliament. Their problem though is that the combined seats of Labour and the SNP looks likely to be sufficient to prevent them from getting any legislation through.
The Tories are the party of the establishment, and that grants them the belief that they have the 'moral' (although they just don't understand this word) authority to govern irrespective of what the electorate does.
I have to admit I find myself more and more convinced by Lucas. As for the council, I will require a lot more persuading to vote Green.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
The council haven't done themselves any favours with all their in-fighting. I'm not sure that they've got too many decisions wrong (I'm in favour of their transport changes, for instance), and they've had a tough time given:
-- none had any experience of running the council
-- they were a minority administration, and the party structure made it even more difficult for the councillors (and one or two of the councillors, e.g. Ben Duncan, behaved like an idiot, utterly oblivious to those he was supposed to represent)
-- they were working within the confines of the devolved axe
I suspect that they'll end up with about ten seats.