General Election 2015

[Herr Tubthumper]

So when the hard working family pays over more of their taxes to make up for the tax revenue that Labour have lost out on, the warm and fuzzy feeling of being in a fairer society will make up for not having to go on holiday or getting a better car.

I wonder how many people actually think like this.

Plenty of other very prosperous countries get by without this dated piece of nonsense. My thinking is if they can, the UK can.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So when the hard working family pays over more of their taxes to make up for the tax revenue that Labour have lost out on, the warm and fuzzy feeling of being in a fairer society will make up for not having to go on holiday or getting a better car.

I wonder how many people actually think like this.

The more imaginative people? The progressives who have ideas beyond a piece of legislation which dates from the days of the empire?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Absolutely nothing that the Tories or Labour have proposed will benefit me and I bet that is the case for lots of people. In one ear and out of the other.
Now if they said we would all get £500 a year off our council tax, that is something to get excited about.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Absolutely nothing that the Tories or Labour have proposed will benefit me and I bet that is the case for lots of people. In one ear and out of the other.
Now if they said we would all get £500 a year off our council tax, that is something to get excited about.

How about not paying tax on the first £12,500 you earn? That's something to get excited about? No?

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

Plenty of other very prosperous countries get by without this dated piece of nonsense. My thinking is if they can, the UK can.

Possibly, but the time when you have very high borrowing already is not the time to do it. I'm all for taking a good long hard look at how we tax people in this country but making a change that will cost the country money purely because it fits into an overall political narrative is not good politics.

Bit like how I disagree with the "bedroom tax". In theory it's a good idea but people have been penalised because the councils don't have a supply of smaller housing. The Lib Dems have sensible proposals on how to retain the principle but make it fairer.

 

[Triggaaar]

So when the hard working family pays over more of their taxes to make up for the tax revenue that Labour have lost out on, the warm and fuzzy feeling of being in a fairer society will make up for not having to go on holiday or getting a better car.

It all depends how much it would cost the UK. If it costs us a couple of pounds each, then I imagine we'd vote for the 'fairer society', but if it costs us a few hundred each year, I'd think we'd vote for the saving.

So what is Labour's proposal, and how much could it cost us?

 

[heathgate]

It all depends how much it would cost the UK. If it costs us a couple of pounds each, then I imagine we'd vote for the 'fairer society', but if it costs us a few hundred each year, I'd think we'd vote for the saving.

So what is Labour's proposal, and how much could it cost us?

It will need to be somewhere in many hundreds......1000 × 35000000=35 billion, is that enough? [MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION]

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

It all depends how much it would cost the UK. If it costs us a couple of pounds each, then I imagine we'd vote for the 'fairer society', but if it costs us a few hundred each year, I'd think we'd vote for the saving.

So what is Labour's proposal, and how much could it cost us?

The "Independent" estimate who produced the figures said that it would bring in £1 billion but also said that it could cost money.

If we say that instead of bringing in a billion it cost a billion, that would be £33 per year for every person over 16 (about 30 million of us).

Non doms now bring in about £8billion in direct income tax and NI

 

[ROSM]

It is thousands...that's socialism for you French style...which is Milibands goal...

I love it when people and politicians try and assume that the behaviour of another country is what someone would like to happen here. Prior to the last election, Osborne was keen to tell anybody that the celtic tiger irish economy was the model to follow and criticising the then labour government for being too tough on banks.

Then we had the condem government tell us that we were almost like Greece, a claim that is so detached from fact that most lib dems won't even repeat it.

Now apparently, Ed m wants to pursue all the same policies as hollande

What next? Sturgeon wants to follow putin 's model and annexe a part of a neighbouring country that they like when making Carlisle and Newcastle part of the new nation of jockestan?

 

[Triggaaar]

The "Independent" estimate who produced the figures said that it would bring in £1 billion but also said that it could cost money.

That sounds good. Have you got a link to that? How come they say it would bring in money, but Labour thought it would cost money last time they were in power?

 

[glasfryn]

I love it when people and politicians try and assume that the behaviour of another country is what someone would like to happen here. Prior to the last election, Osborne was keen to tell anybody that the celtic tiger irish economy was the model to follow and criticising the then labour government for being too tough on banks.

Then we had the condem government tell us that we were almost like Greece, a claim that is so detached from fact that most lib dems won't even repeat it.

Now apparently, Ed m wants to pursue all the same policies as hollande

What next? Sturgeon wants to follow putin 's model and annexe a part of a neighbouring country that they like when making Carlisle and Newcastle part of the new nation of jockestan?

then proceeded to loan them 7billion when it all went up sh1t creek

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

That sounds good. Have you got a link to that? How come they say it would bring in money, but Labour thought it would cost money last time they were in power?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...uWcMt_Whz3orygWqtysy-BQ&bvm=bv.91665533,d.d24

 

[Triggaaar]

The "Independent" estimate who produced the figures said that it would bring in £1 billion

That sounds good. Have you got a link to that?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...uWcMt_Whz3orygWqtysy-BQ&bvm=bv.91665533,d.d24

From your link (strangely you've chosen a Tory site):
"Experts warn Ed Miliband's changes for non-doms would cost millions"

So are you just taking the mick?

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

From your link (strangely you've chosen a Tory site):
"Experts warn Ed Miliband's changes for non-doms would cost millions"

So are you just taking the mick?

Did you read it?

The QC, who admitted the Tories have a 'terrific record' on squeezing tax dodging, said his own calculations suggested the measure was likely to raise about £1billion, but there was a risk of a 'negative tax yield'.

 

[peterward]

I think most saw this as either desperate clutching at straws and/avoiding the question. Given how rattled and uncomposed Boris appeared, he most likely felt the same.

dear deluded from Germany,

Our dear leader has gone around the world and gathered many failed policies from other failed/failing socialist states and bundled them all up into a nice red book. Many of these failed policies, like a mansion tax which has FAILED in france (cannot even be discussed coherently by our own Labour ministers)

But at least we're showing our Green credentials by recycling it one more time in the UK.

I'm pretty sure the Mayor of London is in no way intimidated by any clueless buffoons, especially ones who did very little to change anything when they were a key minister of the most failed government in 3 decades, and that left a calamitous inheritance of debt on the shoulders of our children, but maybe he did flinch when confronted by the strings of Len McCluskys chosen puppet as he recites yet another well rehearsed nice sounding script from the Penmanship of Douglas Alexander.

I must have been scary for poor Boris. after all this is the man who said that he stood up to the leader of the free world, Barack Obama no less when permission was sought to stop the slaughter of 1000's of Syrians. Lets ignore the people from our beloved party that tell a different story. surely it can't really be true, that Ed was actually a man who really, was so afraid of a back bench revolt and having to answer to a pissed off Diane Abbott, that he bottled it, and couldn't make a decision.

Its outrageous that he was called a flip flopping calamity, an oddball who can't make decisions and who procrastinates, naturally I thought it a smear of the Murdoch press or just unfounded opinion when in fact it was made by that traitor, the former labour king maker and former labour mayor of doncaster Martin Winter, who recommended our Dear Ed to Uncle Gordon, and then formed such an opinion after having Ed live with him for a while. Of course Eds guardians did there best to discredit Martin, by guardians I of course mean the guardian and the guardian online AKA the BBC. so why did Ed not take up the offer to have a lie detector as Martin did? Its an interesting read about the betrayal of our Dear Leader, not sure if you'll find it on amazon.de so heres a clip

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But what a great tale it is to imagine our mighty Red Ed standing up hey. The Same super Ed who wholeheartedly agreed to support exactly the same type of operation in Libya to stop butchering of civilians as was proposed in Syria, I was so proud that this week he later tried to link and blame the deaths at sea of migrants escaping from that country on David Cameron. Nasty David. Its just a shame now that we didn't agree to Syria as there may have been a lot of political mileage in “Dave the beheader” dont you think?

Did you know that over here in little old United Kingdom that every household is paying around 25-30% more for their energy today than the market dictates. Terrible isn't it, especially for those worse off. How can that be when wholesale energy prices have fallen through the floor you may ask. Its Gordon Browns Gold part 2 Meine freund and we're very proud of it here at the HQ. The genius that is Ed Milliband has announced he will freeze prices, so we cannot understand now the market has dropped, why are these companies trying to protect their profits, surely they should be dropping prices to consumers now and not keeping them artificially high to offset our future intervention? they should drop them so we can freeze them low rather than keep them high, bank the profit now and then get them frozen at a higher level..... don't they get what we're trying to achieve here? a helping hand to those suffering high priced energy.

Do you need any popularist bandwagons in Germany Comrade? We've got loads over here, There should be a job lot going just after 7th May, when our Ed dismounts ready to take on Barack again and a visibly shaken Putin in his imperial ambitions (but don't worry, even though our leader is super tough you wont ever see any missiles overhead, he is going to buy a nice new set of shiny Tridents but he actually promised he would never use them and we don't want to upset Nicola..... or Dianne Abbot for that matter...... so take that you nasty Russian invader you).

Its so exciting to be on the cusp of this socialist revolution, businesses are bristling with excitement at what awaits, the soundbite generation are loving their fill from Super Ed via Douglas and authorised by Len. The spirit of Che Geuvara is alive in Eastbourne, Lenin Lite is coming to Lewes. And all those nasty rich tax payers will soon be going one way out of Gatwick.

Wear that Red Rosette with pride in East Berlin, viva la revolution.

PW

p.s you Couldn't lend us 200 billion could you, just to tide us over? Haven't quite worked out yet how we're going to make up for the shortfalls from driving out the non desirable tax payers and the end of economic growth. The focus groups all say Douglas's manifesto is a vote winner. But he still wont say where the monies coming from without borrowing, we tried calling Len and he wont say either and we're just worried a real voter may break into our sanitised 'rent a rally' Election events and ask, so we don't quite no what to do or say, what do you think we should do? or should we just do nothing? Maybe we can blame it on Dave, yes that sounds good doesn't it, they'll like that one, may get another vote from somewhere outside Scotland.

 

[BLOCK F]

Absolutely nothing that the Tories or Labour have proposed will benefit me and I bet that is the case for lots of people. In one ear and out of the other.
Now if they said we would all get £500 a year off our council tax, that is something to get excited about.

Well,where we live inthe Council Tax hasn't moved since the Coalition came to power.Rather different from the previous few years!
Watch it resume an upward path if the Labour/SNP lot get in.

 

[Titanic]

I know it's Lord Ashcroft... blah blah etc... but this is interesting...

Ashcroft National Poll (24-26th April):

CON 36% (+2)
LAB 30% (-)
UKIP 11% (-2)
LDEM 9% (-1)
GRN 7% (+3)

 

[Titanic]

and this one too...

ICM/Grauniad (24-26th Apr):

CON 35% (+1)
LAB 32% (-)
UKIP 13% (+2)
LDEM 9% (-1)
GRN 5% (-)

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Did you read it?

The QC, who admitted the Tories have a 'terrific record' on squeezing tax dodging, said his own calculations suggested the measure was likely to raise about £1billion, but there was a risk of a 'negative tax yield'.

Do you get your numbers from a bingo machine? I remember a few weeks ago you were randomly plucking figures out the air and went strangely quiet when pressed on them.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

I know it's Lord Ashcroft... blah blah etc... but this is interesting...

Ashcroft National Poll (24-26th April):

CON 36% (+2)
LAB 30% (-)
UKIP 11% (-2)
LDEM 9% (-1)
GRN 7% (+3)

Hell YES!