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ROSM

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Alex Salmond laughs and boasts he’ll write Labour’s budget. .......Many a true word said in jest.


Indeed

Such as David Cameron is a socially damaged individual who cannot win an election without lying, hiding and scaremongering

Only joking
 








spring hall convert

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Nov 3, 2009
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Did anyone see Newsnight this evening. It featured George Osbourne pretending to be a human being. Worth watching back, there's the bonus of Evan Davies and Nigel Farage competing to see who can be the biggest **** and a debate about immigration that features Jon Gaunt trying to overtalk everyone before having a heart attack.

This election is really depressing.
 


Hampster Gull

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Dec 22, 2010
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Did anyone see Newsnight this evening. It featured George Osbourne pretending to be a human being. Worth watching back, there's the bonus of Evan Davies and Nigel Farage competing to see who can be the biggest **** and a debate about immigration that features Jon Gaunt trying to overtalk everyone before having a heart attack.

This election is really depressing.

He is a human being. He hs also steered the economy back to a safe place and we now leading the way.
 




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Herr Tubthumper

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I can't see anything in S.66 that restricts the right of a voter to publish an image of the ballot paper that has been completed at home. S.66 applies only to officials and other people in polling stations and to people who assist postal voters (eg blind voters).

Thank you. I think I'm safe especially as not a single person has ever been prosecuted for this "offence" inside a polling station or outside. Found this:

"Although Pt II and III of the RPA have specific provisions relating to interpretation, Pt I (containing this offence) does not. The general interpretation section does not assist either. Searching the electronic database there appears to have been a grand total of precisely zero prosecutions under the Act.

Is the law sensible? No, in a word. As to how it came about, you can see how it made sense at one point, and it is clearly designed to protect the secret ballot. I haven’t checked Hansard, but I doubt anyone would consider prosecuting somebody for revealing how they themselves have voted. I doubt that it would survive an Art 10 challenge and/or an abuse on public interest grounds.

As to how this came about, the clue is in the year of the Act – 1983. To take and communicate a selfie at that time would have involved taking in a camera, dropping the negatives off at Boots, waiting for a few days before collecting them and posting them to your “followers” – a time consuming process. As in so many areas, the internet has been a game changer and the law is playing catch up (the Law Commission is scheduled to look at Electoral Law, reporting back with recommendations next summer)."
 
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Herr Tubthumper

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I've just done a skim of the Internet - and this keeps coming up:

Sharing photos of completed ballots—something many appear keen to do—is against U.K. law. The Register reports that under various parts of Section 66 of the Representation of the People Act 1983, it is an offence to make public someone’s vote after a mark has been made on the paper.

This is from the BBC:

"Under Section 66 of the Representation of the People's Act it is a criminal offence to communicate information about the way someone has voted or is about to vote - or to communicate the unique identification number on the ballot paper."

Pressed on how he (John Turner, chief executive of the Association of Electoral Administrators,) interpreted the law, he said taking a selfie and not showing it to anyone before polling stations closed would probably be within the law, but if they took a picture of the ballot paper "and rushed outside and put it on Facebook " they would be risking prosecution.

How will it affect me?

1) There is the assumption what I posted is a genuine ballot paper
2) Who does it belong to?
3) was it actually used to vote? If not, it cannot be information on actual voting....only intention to vote.
4) it clearly isn't "information obtained in a polling station"

Herr Tubthumper "UK's most wanted"

HMP 12353179
 
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cunning fergus

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Did anyone see Newsnight this evening. It featured George Osbourne pretending to be a human being. Worth watching back, there's the bonus of Evan Davies and Nigel Farage competing to see who can be the biggest **** and a debate about immigration that features Jon Gaunt trying to overtalk everyone before having a heart attack.

This election is really depressing.


Yes it is...........look at this one.............(keep with it).

http://www.mansiontax.co.uk/jamie-reed-labour-health-minister-gets-into-a-mansion-tax-muddle/

On the plus side Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party rolled out their manifesto yesterday.

Key policy was to exit the EU.............so who is acting in the interests of the British working class, uber Trade Unionist Arthur Scargill or Edward Miliband's pro EU Labour Party?

What do you think?
 




El Presidente

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How will it affect me?

1) There is the assumption what I posted is a genuine ballot paper
2) Who does it belong to?
3) was it actually used to vote? If not, it cannot be information on actual voting....only intention to vote.
4) it clearly isn't "information obtained in a polling station"

Herr Tubthumper "UK's most wanted"

HMP 12353179


I'll come visit you in the CAN
 




melias shoes

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Oct 14, 2010
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How will it affect me?

1) There is the assumption what I posted is a genuine ballot paper
2) Who does it belong to?
3) was it actually used to vote? If not, it cannot be information on actual voting....only intention to vote.
4) it clearly isn't "information obtained in a polling station"

Herr Tubthumper "UK's most wanted"

HMP 12353179

Did I tell you I'm a bounty hunter.?
 


Herr Tubthumper

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peterward

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making the odd mistake in one of his first budgets 4 years ago having just inherited a bankrupt country with "there is no money left" from labour. and now look at the country, not only the fastest growing economy in the western world, creating more jobs in the uk than the whole rest of the EU...... heres some facts, the poorest are paying much less in tax now than under labour, the gap between richest and poorest has shortened, it was higher under labour. in the same period Osbourne made a couple of mistakes in a budget years ago, Labours chief economic brains (that had just recently bankrupted the country) predicted every single one of George Osbournes plans would not work and would create mass unemployment, would result in recession and no growth. Unsuprisingly every single forecast was hopelessly wrong.

When it comes to economic competence Labour don't have a leg to stand on because they dont understand economics, they understand borrowing, debt and taxes, they believe governments create jobs and not business, and every time a Labour government is let near the states finances it always always ends up in massive debts, high taxes and bankruptcy with our kids having thousands heaped onto their shoulders from Labours gratuitous over spending.

This government as unpalatable as it may be has done a lot more for my baby son in trying to clean up Labours mess and it's made more low earners have more in their pocket to provide for their families. And for for all labours promises, its all garbage until they learn the art of running a country within its means, creating growth without growing deficits. Otherwise its credit card economics that will always end up in everyone suffering, the poorest the most when the day to pay it all back comes.

Omnishambles :) I dont like Osbourne but his record is spectacular as also agreed by the head of the IMF and just about every respectable independent body.... except of course the incompetent snearing idiots that created the problems, rubbished all proposals to rectify their mistakes, predicted none of what has worked would work and cant give credit to those that created record unemployment and more jobs.

I do give credit to Labour for having a social concience, creating the NHS and theyre not all bad or not well meaning.... but they have no right to critisise Osbournes miraculous economic recovery, on the back of the disaster they left behind or to try and pretend that the current `Tory party is the same as Thatchers, it isnt. Thatchers was nasty, but the current bunch are far removed and have reinvented much (of course that doenst suit Labour who will always hate and try and rubbish everything regardless of truth - Labour also needs also to reinvent itself, it hasn't learned anything from its recent mistakes) its a statistical fact this Tory/Lid Dem has done more to to lessen the inequality gap, will raise the minimum wage more, has given everyone a payrise by raising the personal allowance by 4 grand and taken many out of tax. This lat government built more social housing that the labour government, strange but true......and the real nasty party is the party that leaves economic calamity and mismanagement to be paid for by all citizens of the country, including the poor. Where debt interest is more per year than we spend on education.

So keep to the lies, spin and PR, there's not much substance is there?

Former Labour voter in 97 01 and 05
 
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synavm

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May 2, 2013
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When it comes to economic competence Labour don't have a leg to stand on because they dont understand economics, they understand borrowing, debt and taxes, they believe governments create jobs and not business, and every time a Labour government is let near the states finances it always always ends up in massive debts, high taxes and bankruptcy with our kids having thousands heaped onto their shoulders from Labours gratuitous over spending.

This points irks me. For around eleven years, Labour led the country at a time where the economy was absolutely booming (helped by much needed investment in infrastructure), the deficit and debt as a share of GDP was lower than what they inherited, for a couple of years we were even operating a surplus and everything was going pretty well... Until the global financial crisis. The problem we had was a total over reliance on a financial sector which was deregulated more and more as time passed by- all endorsed by the Conservatives. In reality, I'm not sure economic policy would be that different between the two parties.

Now, that's not to say the last Labour Government were perfect because they weren't at all. I have issues with some of their economic policy (selling off the gold early and declaring the end of boom and bust was surely extremely short-sighted) and certainly some of their defence (military involvement with the Middle East) and social policy (working tax credit amongst other things, hasty introduction of the winter fuel allowance as opposed to an increase in pensions) but I feel they were not as economically inept at the Tories make out, and I don't think things would have turned out much differently if there was a Conservative government in that time period.
 


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