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- Thread starter Herr Tubthumper
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You need to see the video clip on Sky , they showed both versions , the one edited by the Conservatives to leave off the final comment and the original.
What's the point of manufacturing if you don't have customers?
Barnham Seagull
Yapton Actually
Problem is in this country is that banks etc don't see manufacturing as a good investment, they like short term investment.
It's very hard then for UK manufactures to invest in tooling etc to make more exciting and desirable Products. Manufacturing in the UK in many industries has become a cottage industry with low employment.
In Germany the banks see manufacturing as a good long term investment, the results speak for themselves......
It's very hard then for UK manufactures to invest in tooling etc to make more exciting and desirable Products. Manufacturing in the UK in many industries has become a cottage industry with low employment.
In Germany the banks see manufacturing as a good long term investment, the results speak for themselves......
Hampster Gull
Well-known member
- Dec 22, 2010
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That clueless moron could be chancellor in a months time. Now that scares the shit out of me.
I don't think he is clueless. I suspect he is quite bright but he is dangerous with his pandering for votes. Once in watch the lurch to the left and a slow build up of a battle with red ed
Yet the idea of Osborne in a tory government doesn't? I can only assume you're either a millionaire or utterly deluded.That clueless moron could be chancellor in a months time. Now that scares the shit out of me.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,465
We're doing pretty well now so no, it doesn't
We are doing averagely, and far worse than we were doing under Labour for most of their 15 years in office. And we have been the slowest to recover after 2010 of all G7 nations, but don't let these facts get in the way.
And it would have been utterly disastrous without the Lib Dems curbing the most ludicrous cuts and tax reductions. The tories are dangerous.
Kuipers Supporters Club
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...economy-International-Monetary-Fund-says.html
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a621543c-a620-11e4-9bd3-00144feab7de.html#axzz3WkdEhLWe
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32145954
'That is indeed faster than other countries in the G7 advanced economies, including the USA (2.4%), Canada (2.4%), Japan (0.1%), France (0.4%), Germany (1.5%) and Italy (which shrank by 0.4%).'
Not bad behind China and probably the US.
If the car is crashed it takes a long time to recover. It's not an instant process.
Hampster Gull
Well-known member
- Dec 22, 2010
- 13,465
We have a very large reliance on the financial services sector and have for a while. It was the most hit sector from the financial crash. This has caused a lag effect, we could expect nothing less. We now have one of the strongest growths, if not the strongest, among the g7.
Growth under Labour was very good, but resulted in out worst recession for 100 years. We are paying for it now. I personally wouldn't be shoutng about it.
Your hypothesis about what it would be like without the Libs is not one I would agree with, they have been fairly ineffectual from what I have seen.
You seem to be suggesting that the growth under labour was what caused the worst recession! Care to explain.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Poor regulation of the financial sector. We were competing with NY to be the easiest to do business with. That was a key cause in the crash. Labour over spending in the good times when they should have been running surpluses meant the hangover was even worse. There you go
Edit - and Gordon brown who thought he had conquered economics - no more boom and bust. And acted accordingly. He had lost the plot which has cost us dear
What a load of garbage. You should well know that there have hardly been any years when a government has run a surplus whatever political persuasion they are and whether or not they are in a period of growth or recession. The wording of your post, either intentionally or unintentionally, implied the blame was Labour's. The recession happened on their watch but would have happened whether Labour or the Tories had been in charge. It may well have been worse under the Tories who were calling for even less regulation of the financial sector.
As for them running a surplus prior to the recession, if they had done that who was going to pay for the heavy investment in infrastructure that was badly needed after decades of negligence, again by both parties.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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growth under Labour was disguising unsustainable spending and lulled Brown into a false sense of achivement, and was created in part by exporting inflation and offsetting public expenditure to the prviate sector through PFI (so hiding the true amount of public debt). it didnt cause the recession, but a proportion of the growth was sort of illusionary, or brought forward from future growth potential if you like. there was little focus on building up productive parts of the economy under Brown, it was about state largesse or tinkering with bits round the edges, which is funny considering the old manufacturing chestnut was poked about in the last page. to be fair he didnt hinder those businesses that did want to progress, so it wasnt all bad.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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I have already said I beleive Labour is I part to blame. I thought that was obvious in my post. Whether it would have been worse under any other party is pure guess work, no one will ever now. What we do know is labour absolutely messed it up and had the nerve to say they had conquered boom and bust. It is not in their DNA to run the economy well, we saw it in the last time they were kicked out of power
That clueless moron could be chancellor in a months time. Now that scares the shit out of me.
I wouldn't worry I'm old enough to remember and voted in the 1992 GE, and I genuinely think the outcome of the 2015 GE like then will be a complete surprise to what people think.
The Birdman
New member
Let's get rid of the debt and the kids can have a better quality of life in the future the Labour Party want a bigger state which is wrong! Please don't vote the greens back in ? I would rather go into coalition with labour and the Tories than the SNP or UKIP!
So if you can't make an educated guess whether the Tories would have been better or worse during the global recession then I'm sure you can equally argue that you can only guess whether the last five years would have been worse or better under Labour. It cuts both ways.
You're right, Labour want a bigger state and the Tories want virtually no state.
Your challenge for today - can you get a letter together with 100 nurses who have been made redundant?
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Here you go.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/aug/21/nhs-figures-reveal-fewer-nurses
David Cameron has cut the NHS budget for two years running and we are now seeing the effects of this on the ground in the NHS. On his watch, we have seen the NHS lose nurses at a rate of 200 per month as hospital trusts make kneejerk cuts to the frontline."