Gbp 1 = eur 1.40

[Ernest]

Vote out surely means any of those who have come here through EU free movement are repatriated and citizenship revoked

 

[Hampster Gull]

Fill ur boots in Seville

 

[pastafarian]

Vote out surely means any of those who have come here through EU free movement are repatriated and citizenship revoked

i think this is what is being referred to as uninformed scaremongering about an OUT vote.

threatening that people with UK citizenship will have said citizenship revoked if they originally came from the EU........well played


jeepers its going to be a long drawn out painful couple of years.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

WILL BE ASKED POLITELY TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY OR SECURE A WORK PERMIT
regards
DR

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

WILL BE ASKED POLITELY TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY OR SECURE A WORK PERMIT
regards
DR

I wonder if the UK will see a big rise in marriages and/or children being born to EU citizens over the next few months or so?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

This is a good question. And it's questions like this which need to be addressed by the government and the EU.

Altered it for you ... the EU were so arrogant they never wrote the rules around withdrawal so it's them that need to clarify things as well.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I wonder if the UK will see a big rise in marriages and/or children being born to EU citizens over the next few months or so?

it's been happening for years , one of the clampdowns on non EU VISITORS THINKING THAT BY HAVING A CHILD WITH A UK CITIZEN AUTOMATICALLY GIVES YOU A RIGHT TO LIVE HERE
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I guess nothing would happen to those already here but there would be restrictions on entry for EU nationals very shortly after a NO vote.

really , what status would they have then ?? THIS ISN'T bong bongo land we're living in
regards
DR

 

[BigGully]

I wonder if the UK will see a big rise in marriages and/or children being born to EU citizens over the next few months or so?

Why would you think that marriage might be such an issue, when the alternative is absolute non qualification of anyone within EU entering our country .......

 

[Cian]

It makes it really rather dear to come over for matches, bar the flights which are cheaper in that direction from it.... so, if you could all stop spending money and cause a bit of a temporary recession before August that'd be great...

 

[Alex Alex Dawson oo! oo!]

Altered it for you ... the EU were so arrogant they never wrote the rules around withdrawal so it's them that need to clarify things as well.

It is for the yes and no campaigns to clarify their positions, not the EU. The latter is not party to the proposed UK referendum and neither should its institutions seek to get involved, that would be both intrusive and arrogant. The referendum is a matter only for the those eligible to vote and should the result be to leave then it will be for the UK government of the day to decide how it wishes to interface with EU in the future and how best to achieve this. What exactly is there to clarify here, if you want to leave what is stopping you just saying so and walking away?
By voting day we'll know what the Cameron renegotiation is all about and so the electorate will know what the yes "deal" is. Parties, organisations etc advocating an EU exit need to come up with detailed, understandable and plausible proposals for the UK outside of the EU within a realistic exit timescale and certainly no longer than the end of the current Parliament in 2020. Serious questions such as have already been raised in this thread need to be answered and how businesses and citizens disadvantaged by a UK exit are to be compensated (if at all) should be spelled out. Proposing that it will all be sorted out by a negotiation after the vote, big business won't allow x or y to happen, we'll have a points system like Australia, the EU needs us more than we need them etc etc are just sound bite cop-outs.
My personal view is that the political fall-out resulting from secession, which might be seen as yet another treachery by some older citizens particularly in former communist member states, is likely to make any post-referendum negotiation with the EU considerably more difficult than those involving the non-EU EEA members and Switzerland. It might more honest for the No campaign to pitch from a position of "out and on our own" from voting day plus one.

 

[pastafarian]

It is for the yes and no campaigns to clarify their positions, not the EU. The latter is not party to the proposed UK referendum and neither should its institutions seek to get involved, that would be both intrusive and arrogant. The referendum is a matter only for the those eligible to vote and should the result be to leave then it will be for the UK government of the day to decide how it wishes to interface with EU in the future and how best to achieve this. What exactly is there to clarify here, if you want to leave what is stopping you just saying so and walking away?
By voting day we'll know what the Cameron renegotiation is all about and so the electorate will know what the yes "deal" is. Parties, organisations etc advocating an EU exit need to come up with detailed, understandable and plausible proposals for the UK outside of the EU within a realistic exit timescale and certainly no longer than the end of the current Parliament in 2020. Serious questions such as have already been raised in this thread need to be answered and how businesses and citizens disadvantaged by a UK exit are to be compensated (if at all) should be spelled out. Proposing that it will all be sorted out by a negotiation after the vote, big business won't allow x or y to happen, we'll have a points system like Australia, the EU needs us more than we need them etc etc are just sound bite cop-outs.
My personal view is that the political fall-out resulting from secession, which might be seen as yet another treachery by some older citizens particularly in former communist member states, is likely to make any post-referendum negotiation with the EU considerably more difficult than those involving the non-EU EEA members and Switzerland. It might more honest for the No campaign to pitch from a position of "out and on our own" from voting day plus one.

The "latter" (the EU) and its institutions are massively involved,its their negotiations with us that are the crux of the issue.The referendum is not a yes or no vote now,its a yes or no vote down the line after negotiations.Yes we will know what the deal or no deal is by voting day but its a bit silly to think The EU wont or shouldnt get involved in protecting their interests over the issue

and how businesses and citizens disadvantaged by a UK exit are to be compensated (if at all) should be spelled out.

Could you please explain why you think if there was an exit Uk citizens should be compensated,what are you basing this on? I wonder if the Greeks are thinking along this line as well and its citizens will demand compensation from the EU when they leave for being an economic basket case.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

So, what's the tourist rate now?

 

[WATFORD zero]

Opposite our offices is Santander UK headquarters where around 40% of the staff are Spanish, the floor below us that company has around 25% of French people. I would imagine a good 10% of my company are EU nationals so this could be a serious issue around skills required by UK Companies.

Easy - we replace them with all the good honest BRITISH wrinklies that get sent back from the Costas

 

[cunning fergus]

It is for the yes and no campaigns to clarify their positions, not the EU. The latter is not party to the proposed UK referendum and neither should its institutions seek to get involved, that would be both intrusive and arrogant. The referendum is a matter only for the those eligible to vote and should the result be to leave then it will be for the UK government of the day to decide how it wishes to interface with EU in the future and how best to achieve this. What exactly is there to clarify here, if you want to leave what is stopping you just saying so and walking away?
By voting day we'll know what the Cameron renegotiation is all about and so the electorate will know what the yes "deal" is. Parties, organisations etc advocating an EU exit need to come up with detailed, understandable and plausible proposals for the UK outside of the EU within a realistic exit timescale and certainly no longer than the end of the current Parliament in 2020. Serious questions such as have already been raised in this thread need to be answered and how businesses and citizens disadvantaged by a UK exit are to be compensated (if at all) should be spelled out. Proposing that it will all be sorted out by a negotiation after the vote, big business won't allow x or y to happen, we'll have a points system like Australia, the EU needs us more than we need them etc etc are just sound bite cop-outs.
My personal view is that the political fall-out resulting from secession, which might be seen as yet another treachery by some older citizens particularly in former communist member states, is likely to make any post-referendum negotiation with the EU considerably more difficult than those involving the non-EU EEA members and Switzerland. It might more honest for the No campaign to pitch from a position of "out and on our own" from voting day plus one.

Your sentiment that any reference to how the EU needs the UK more than we need them is a sound bite cop out can be neatly dealt with by looking at the trade surplus the UK runs with its EU partners.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/uktra...ly-offsets-record-trade-deficit-on-goods.html

Last year it was in the order of £60bn.

For a struggling eurozone they could not wear a loss of trade on this kind of magnitude, and petty squabbling about the UK's post EU trading relationship would be catastrophic all round, I'm sure you would agree.

So that's that point sorted for you.

As for compensation, the British taxpayer is being mugged off now by being in the EU by paying more to the club than we get out, and given the fee is based on a country's performance our share will rise further due to the relative weakness in our EU peers.

That's before we get to our bailout contributions the the EU and IMF to help support failed economies like Greece who have failed due to incompetence by the EU and politicians of no consequence to the UK.

We pay numerous taxes and levies to the EU that include a per take of VAT, and yet we don't have any democratic right to choose who heads and sits in the most important institutional arm of the EU.........the EU Commission.

To coin a phrase from a previous independence struggle.........there should be no taxation without representation.

It seems to me given all the above points the British taxpayer has a right to claim compensation now.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Your sentiment that any reference to how the EU needs the UK more than we need them is a sound bite cop out can be neatly dealt with by looking at the trade surplus the UK runs with its EU partners.

We run a deficit, not a surplus.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32231055

"The UK's trade deficit with the EU reached a record high in the last three months, and while the EU is our largest trading partner, it is vital that we capture more of the export market in the fast growing economies beyond Europe."

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

So, what's the tourist rate now?

http://www.change-link.co.uk/contact/victoria-branch/

Dropped a touch since Thursday.

 

[cunning fergus]

We run a deficit, not a surplus.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32231055

"The UK's trade deficit with the EU reached a record high in the last three months, and while the EU is our largest trading partner, it is vital that we capture more of the export market in the fast growing economies beyond Europe."

That's correct, my mistake........wir sind alle Menschen sind nicht?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

That's correct, my mistake........wir sind alle Menschen sind nicht?

So, are you suggesting that because the UK runs a deficit, the EU will still want to sell you stuff?

 

[cunning fergus]

So, are you suggesting that because the UK runs a deficit, the EU will still want to sell you stuff?

The EU sells more to us than we do to them, they would be insane to put this trade in jeopardy.

That said given the some of the catastrophic economic decisions that have been made by the EU I would not assert that as a given.

The lack of growth in the EU is part of the problem for the UK at the moment, as demand is drops off and growth contracts, which it undoubtedly has. Even if there is modest growth though the EU will become a smaller market as other emerging economies mature.

The EU's crude answer to this reality appears to be expansionism and those who advocate inclusion of Ukraine and Turkey into the EU will no doubt argue the cause on an economic basis, however we can all see clearly where that journey will take us...........not that the citizens of the EU will be given a choice on those decisions.