[Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

[Titanic]

Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

Gary Lineker to step back from presenting Match of the Day until agreement reached on social media use - BBC statement

www.bbc.co.uk

Gary Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day until an agreement is reached on his social media use - BBC statement.
It follows an impartiality row over comments he made criticising the government's new asylum policy.
In a tweet, the presenter had compared the language used by the government to set out its plan to "that used by Germany in the 30s".

 

[Dick Head]

 

[Seagull27]

Didn’t know about the David Attenborough thing. What documentary?

But to generalise the BBC as biased when it is trying to do everything in its power to remain impartial in a world of flippant, polarised bullshit on social media in order to protect its future, is incorrect. The BBC must remain intact. Lineker’s comments undermine that.

I’ve seen the alternative in the USA and it results in the Capitol building being stormed.

As has been pointed out many times in this thread - what is a bigger threat to the BBC's impartiality? A sports presenter making a few comments on his personal Twitter account?

Or the current BBC chairman being a donor to one of the two major parties and facilitating a huge loan for a recent ex-PM from that party?

Or the current BBC Director General being a former politician of the same party?

 

[Klaas]

Lineker’s key mistake was to throw Nazi Germany in there. However fine and nuanced his understanding of the semiotics of National Socialist messaging in the years 1930-1940, it would be good generally if people could stop using Nazi Germany as a kind of bad things emoji. Better to explain and use detail. Save Nazi Germany. Keep it in your back pocket for those occasions when only Nazi Germany will do.

Do you often lift opinions verbatim and pass them off as your own?

Why there are no winners after the Beeb’s two-footed tackle on Gary Lineker | Barney Ronay

We all lose when the state, no matter how third-hand or arm’s-length, is able to engineer the silence of public figures

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rdodge30]

bravaman played her hand first, with very deliberate language, she is the problem

No doubt a problem for Sir Keir to deal with ideally.

The only chance he has of making the papers tomorrow will no doubt be … SKS defends GL over nazi quotes … which if it runs another day or two will in turn become GL statement insult to holocaust survivors etc etc etc

Do you often lift opinions verbatim and pass them off as your own?

Why there are no winners after the Beeb’s two-footed tackle on Gary Lineker | Barney Ronay

We all lose when the state, no matter how third-hand or arm’s-length, is able to engineer the silence of public figures

www.theguardian.com

worse than that , Starmer has lost the narrative and is being quoted as supporting GL’s comments on nazi Germany. Are there no professional political operatives in the opposition leaders office that can advise him?

 

[Klaas]

No doubt a problem for Sir Keir to deal with ideally.

The only chance he has of making the papers tomorrow will no doubt be … SKS defends GL over nazi quotes … which if it runs another day or two will in turn become GL statement insult to holocaust survivors etc etc etc

worse than that , Starmer has lost the narrative and is being quoted as supporting GL’s comments on nazi Germany. Are there no professional political operatives in the opposition leaders office that can advise him?

What's that got to do with what I asked Portlock Seagull?

 

[Stat Brother]

Oh shite, now we're in trouble 'fast daddy' wants answers

 

[Rdodge30]

What's that got to do with what I asked Portlock Seagull?

Sorry I didn’t quote the right quote !

 

[Goldstone Guy]

Calm down dear. You become part of the problem by citing extremes in an effort to “to win the internet” (as Bozza so beautifully wrote).

Nobody is being silenced. The Tories aren’t the Nazis. Braverman shouldn’t be Home Secretary. And Gary’s been a fool. About the sum of it really.

Ha! I thought I was quite calm, but waking up at 5am on a saturday morning suggests perhaps I wasn't as calm as I thought. I admit the first word of my post was rude and unnecessary so I apologise for that.

I didn't (nor anybody else as far as I'm aware) say the Tories are Nazis, so telling me they're not isn't necessary. You think Braverman shouldn't be home secretary, Gary's been a tool and that's "the sum of it". I think there's much more to it than that. The government are trying (successfully at the moment, although it will ultimately backfire on them) to control the BBC. You seem to think that's a trivial matter, or perhaps you don't think they are trying to control the BBC. Either way I think you're wrong.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

you’ll be pleased to know that he’s being considered as a replacement for next weekends coverage of our Cup game

About time he watched a game in full

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Nothing unprofessional about withdrawing your labour.

Not sure if his tax affairs are under scrutiny still, but shirely this episode helps him, no?

 

[Swansman]

Perhaps, and maybe he should be chastised for using, abusing and marshalling the evils of history’s most abhorrent regime to score political points? It depends where you sit on the spectrum I suppose, but anyone equating The Tories to the Nazi Party loses the argument in my opinion. It’s simply not creditable. Maybe he didn’t do history at school, because he was making it in football. Can’t be good at everything though, evidently modern history’s not his strongest suit.

Funny, because using, abusing and marshalling the evils of history is exactly what those riding out to the defense of BBC are doing.
Gary Lineker: "There's a bit of similarities between the cruel shit the early Nazi Germany were doing and what we're doing now."
Tory Defense Force: "THATS NOT TRUE WE HAVENT GASSED SIX MILLION JEWS. How dare you say we're evil and going to put six million Jews in the gas chambers! Off you go from the TV screen!"

Its a really deliberate attempt to misunderstand what Lineker is saying. People who doesn't like immigrants and who have frequently been voting right-wing are using World War II as a tool to silence Gary Lineker legitimate criticism of government policy. Rather than discussing the subject itself, you right-wingers want to distract from the subject itself, and whats a better way to do it than to pretend that Gary Lineker is on some kind of mission to humiliate the Jews from the 1940s? Despite it being clear to every sober healthy mind that he's not referring to the whole package of nazi evil.

 

[Guinness Boy]

First country they come to (that is ‘safe’)?

If that had always been a rule Braverman would be living in Tanzania.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Perhaps, and maybe he should be chastised for using, abusing and marshalling the evils of history’s most abhorrent regime to score political points? It depends where you sit on the spectrum I suppose, but anyone equating The Tories to the Nazi Party loses the argument in my opinion. It’s simply not creditable. Maybe he didn’t do history at school, because he was making it in football. Can’t be good at everything though, evidently modern history’s not his strongest suit.

He's talking about the language. Incredible how many people are missing that point. And the language surrounding immigrants from many Tories is almost identical to the language surrounding Jews in the 1930s Germany. I'd suggest he did history at school and you didn't if you can't understand that.

Of course, another thing that happened during the regime was propaganda by the media and the politicising of sports events.

 

[Stat Brother]

If that had always been a rule Braverman would be living in Tanzania.

In Florida the biggest opponents to Cuban immigration is the first and second generation Cuban immigrants already secure in the US.


Never underestimate the human races' ability to pull up the ladder once they're alright.





Now off to The Leeds.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Do you often lift opinions verbatim and pass them off as your own?

Why there are no winners after the Beeb’s two-footed tackle on Gary Lineker | Barney Ronay

We all lose when the state, no matter how third-hand or arm’s-length, is able to engineer the silence of public figures

www.theguardian.com

Funny, because using, abusing and marshalling the evils of history is exactly what those riding out to the defense of BBC are doing.Gary Lineker: "There's a bit of similarities between the cruel shit the early Nazi Germany were doing and what we're doing now."Tory Defense Force: "THATS NOT TRUE WE HAVENT GASSED SIX MILLION JEWS. How dare you say we're evil and going to put six million Jews in the gas chambers! Off you go from the TV screen!"

It’s a really deliberate attempt to misunderstand what Lineker is saying. People who doesn't like immigrants and who have frequently been voting right-wing are using World War II as a tool to silence Gary Lineker legitimate criticism of government policy. Rather than discussing the subject itself, you right-wingers want to distract from the subject itself, and whats a better way to do it than to pretend that Gary Lineker is on some kind of mission to humiliate the Jews from the 1940s? Despite it being clear to every sober healthy mind that he's not referring to the whole package of nazi evil.

I don’t think the @portlock seagull will be able to copy and paste a response from the Guardian to this particular post! Well played.

 

[Berty23]

I've seen that article before, and the point was it doesn't give any numbers. The number of asylum seekers whose cases had been processed was tiny, single figure percentage of the total applicants, from memory.

But it stands to reason anyway. Anyone who at present is so desperate to get to UK that they will leave France in a ropey old dinghy, will do so however many legal ways into the country there are - if they aren't successful by the legal means. And unless we have 100% permission, come one come all, all applications are approved, then there will still be people who come by small boat because they can't get here any other way.

There is no such thing as an illegal route for an asylum seeker. That is a bit that so many people don’t understand. They can get here however they want. Once they are processed (which is the issue here causing all the expense on hotels) then they can be returned. At the moment we are spending money on the hotels, now plans to spend with France and nothing yet explained properly about how to get processing done.

They have been shouting about this for years and the problem is getting worse.

If we wanted to stop the boats we could provide safe routes and processing but dangerous boat crossings is not the problem they want to sort is it?

As long as they have foot soldiers telling everyone that illegal entry is a problem then they can force through legislation.

 

[Berty23]

Perhaps, and maybe he should be chastised for using, abusing and marshalling the evils of history’s most abhorrent regime to score political points? It depends where you sit on the spectrum I suppose, but anyone equating The Tories to the Nazi Party loses the argument in my opinion. It’s simply not creditable. Maybe he didn’t do history at school, because he was making it in football. Can’t be good at everything though, evidently modern history’s not his strongest suit.

I posted this earlier. What is your response?

May I ask what you see as different between the language used in 1930s Germany (besides it being in German) from the current rhetoric.

As far as I can tell they talk about immigrants in the same way and demonise them (talk of invasions). They plan camps before getting rid of them. They have attacked the judges and lawyers.

In additions to what they have said, they have also cracked down on protests.

Now we have the state broadcaster making political decisions.

So what is different about the language used between now and 1930s Germany? No one is saying that this will end in the same way. He merely pointed out the similarities in the language. At what point would it become okay in your mind for someone to point out these obvious similarities?

What are the differences as you see it?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Next MOD presenter revealed

 

[Hugo Rune]

He's talking about the language. Incredible how many people are missing that point. And the language surrounding immigrants from many Tories is almost identical to the language surrounding Jews in the 1930s Germany. I'd suggest he did history at school and you didn't if you can't understand that.

Of course, another thing that happened during the regime was propaganda by the media and the politicising of sports events.

I remember writing an essay for A-Level History about how the Nazi Party were democratically elected. Our teacher wanted us to recognise that democracy is not perfect. It’s a fascinating subject. Language, and propaganda, played a huge role.

Yes, the people of Germany were duped in the 30’s but why do those who mention that highly interesting time in history need to be cancelled or labelled anti-Semitic by the Home Secretary?

We should ALWAYS be comparing our democracy to the democracy that the Nazi party got itself elected in. It’s a safety net. If those times are replicated, our country is heading in the most horrific direction.

There was an underlying blame pinned to Jewish immigrants that became more and more amplified and out of control until finally in 1937/38, you could smash up their businesses or houses without concern, pogroms were in effect, legalised. And a lot of normal German people accepted it, Germans who weren’t Nazis. To get to that position, the Nazi party needed years using the sort of ‘stop the boats’ language to effectively brainwash the population. To fill them with hate.

This Government has ****ed so many things up, all they have left is to convince the cerebrally meagre that the nation’s woes are the fault of asylum seekers.

 

[mikeyjh]

There is no such thing as an illegal route for an asylum seeker. That is a bit that so many people don’t understand

In fairness to the hard of thinking, that's the language (yep, 1930s style language) that's being constantly, consistently and intentionally incorrectly used to describe these immigrants and the methods they are using.

Thinking about it, I'm now hoping that Perry Groves posts on TikTok that all the descendants of the 330,000 troops evacuated from Dunkirk be deported to Mozambique because their ancestors arrived here illegally, that'll learn 'em.