[Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

[Titanic]

Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

Gary Lineker to step back from presenting Match of the Day until agreement reached on social media use - BBC statement

www.bbc.co.uk

Gary Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day until an agreement is reached on his social media use - BBC statement.
It follows an impartiality row over comments he made criticising the government's new asylum policy.
In a tweet, the presenter had compared the language used by the government to set out its plan to "that used by Germany in the 30s".

 

[Eric the meek]

there is no dirt. Desperation setting in.

Indeed. He doesn't actually dig up any dirt himself, but asks others to do so. What kind of trolling is that? It's just laziness. These trolls aren't what they used to be.

 

[Baldseagull]

You can't help yourself can you. First we are friends despite never having met.Then you ascribe ownership of the right wing press to me without having a clue which papers or periodicals I actually read if any.
To remind you the question I posed is what is the answer to the immigration problem put forward by the other UK political parties, not what the UN or other countries might say

Labour propose investing money going after the criminal gangs that organise the crossings, rather than locking up the people they have transported, and processing claims in a more timely manner so that hotel bills are not running into millions per day. They do not state it, but I suspect they would seek to have greater co-operation with the EU, possibly including being treated as an EU country for the purposes of the Dublin agreement.
I am certain that a former QC and human rights lawyer would not waste time and energy on a bill that contravenes human rights conventions that the UK is signed up to.

Ultimately there are only two ways to realistically tackle crossings by small boats, police the beaches and coastline in France heavily, or make alternative safe routes and put those that cross by small boats at the back of claims processes, thereby encouraging use of the alternative safe routes to asylum over dangerous crossings.
I did read somewhere that Kier Starmer prosecuted more trafficking gang members in his 5 years as DPP than the Tories have since he left that role nearly 10 years ago.

 

[ROBS BROTHER]

As a point of order, when using the 'your' I was referring to the UK"s right wing press not yours personally.

I dare say that the Labour party will include their plan in their manifesto before the election. However, their plan will be affected by the control that your (the UK's) right wing press has over the electorate.

Why do you need them to give their answer now? It is fair to assume that it will most likely adhere to the UN human rights and Refugee policy as I think only Russia and one other country in Europe do not. That may be two others if the tories get there way. So it is likely to be an improvement.

Personally, I think that the UN is a good place to start, I believe the human rights stuff was started by Churchill, what i have read is sound. The same can be said for the refugee conventions. It is all there and ready to go. One has to ask why the Tories choose to make this such a difficult problem to deal with, it really isn't. In 13 years they should have got their shit together - you have got to wonder why they haven't?

Point of order sir. If you are referring to the UK's right wing press why personalise it and then repeat it later in your response.
I don't need immediate answers I just feel it would be refreshing to hear from His Majesty's opposition a statement that said the government has got it all wrong this is what we should be doing rather than just slagging of the conservatives.
If you think this is not a difficult problem to deal with then I begin to wonder just how much you understand

 

[Weststander]

I agree on with you reference, this is nothing like the beginning of Hitlers rise to power, and it is somewhat sensationalist statement.
playing devil’s advocate I can also see, nationalism starts somewhere, although even I seriously doubt Rishi Sunak is the advocating what Gary is implying.

I think of things in degrees.

Hitler, Putin, Pinochet junta, Galtieri junta, Stalin, China (Uyghurs, the genocide of men and industrial scale rape of women that no one talks about), Hutu in Rwanda, Serbs mid-90’s … pure evil. The organised torture and murder of opponents and/or races, ethnic groups.

Erdogun, opponents and human rights campaigners imprisoned en masse forever, homophobia, disappearances.

Trump, KKK and Alt Right buddies, Steve Bannon - ****s, racist, not a care for the planet, thriving on violent division. Orban in Hungary.

On a Richter Scale, Braverman/Johnson to me are a populism tremor, just passing through, their brief day in the sunshine. Albeit with the damage of Brexit.

Lineker and lots of people round here talk always in binary absolutes, with zero interest in what’s going on in our neighbours or the Uyghurs for example. Braverman is either a hero or pure evil, as bad as anything in modern history. To me that’s bullshit. These are just rubbish politicians/administrators who, in this wonderful, democracy, will soon be chip paper.

 

[A1X]

The Tory appointed Chairman of the BBC doing their bidding to the letter in his attempts to destroy it from within.

 

[Wokeworrier]

Lineker’s key mistake was to throw Nazi Germany in there. However fine and nuanced his understanding of the semiotics of National Socialist messaging in the years 1930-1940, it would be good generally if people could stop using Nazi Germany as a kind of bad things emoji. Better to explain and use detail. Save Nazi Germany. Keep it in your back pocket for those occasions when only Nazi Germany will do.

Spot on. The current government have numerous obvious failings but anyone invoking the Nazis or fascism are either incredibly thick or have a screw loose ...

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

The Tory scum have what they want tonight. Everyone hating the BBC.

 

[spence]

Hopefully banned for good. I didn't pay my licence to hear him spout his left wing dribble.
He is entitled to his views but not when he works for left wing bbc

 

[BadFish]

So I claimed in an earlier post that this is a simple problem to solve.

This is of course over-simplistic because to change it you need to change the rhetoric coming from the right wing press however here are my oversimplified thoughts.

1. Be clear with the distinction between economic migrants, refugees and asylum seekers. The difference are distinct and the solutions are different (although the asylum seekers and refugees are interconnected.

2. Recognise, that people claiming asylum are not illegal, change the language and change the rhetoric

3. Open up the routes between refugee camps and the UK. Look at comparable countries around Europe and take a reasonable amount. Currently, this appears to be 0!! the other extreme is 'everyone' so find some middle ground here and stop pandering to the extremes. This will also mean there are fewer asylum seekers because there are reasonable routes.

4. Asylum seekers/boat crossing and people smugglers - This is easy enough. Recognise that the unique aspect of the UK is that it is an island. Stop trying to use this as way to f*** people over and see it as a small complication. People are allowed to enter a country and claim asylum, this is hard and dangerous over the English channel. So move the place where they can claim asylum to somewhere safer, that doesn't need people smugglers to facilitate the journey. France has offered to do this, take up that offer.

5. Last and not least, process the claims far quicker. clear the backlog, get people out of hotels and into work. This makes the cost to the taxpayer less and starts to fill some of those job vacancies caused by brexit. Win f***ing win.


Iam sure there are details to iron out and other aspects to consider but as a start, who wouldn't vote for a system like this?

 

[Weststander]

I’m really not sure that this is at all right.

Look at this timeline.

Timeline of the Holocaust: 1933-1945

www.museumoftolerance.com

In fact, I’d go as far to say that statement is ill informed. There was a lot of propaganda using discriminatory language linked to vile anti immigrant policies before the violence started.

Dispicable violence like this:

Pogroms

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

All only made possible by years of cruel, aggressive and anti-semetic language. Turning the German nation against the Jewish immigrants.

More than happy for you to post evidence that the murders started at the same time as the Nazi’s language which to my mind; was born out of Mein Kampf published in 1925.

It is correct, within weeks 10,000 opponents were in concentration camps, 200,000 by 31 Dec 1933.

The murders started straight away.

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-camps/the-first-camps/

Dachau opened on 22 March 1933 for example.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Really?

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-03-01/gary-linekers-lawyer-claims-taxman-made-up-mind-over-49m-claim

It’s the appeal

HMRC slammed as Gary Lineker’s £4.9m IR35 bill is appealed - Contractor & Business Weekly

Gary Lineker has contested his £4.9m tax bill, with his representatives blasting HMRC for allegedly wanting the IR35 legislation to apply...

www.contractorweekly.com

 

[BadFish]

Point of order sir. If you are referring to the UK's right wing press why personalise it and then repeat it later in your response.
I don't need immediate answers I just feel it would be refreshing to hear from His Majesty's opposition a statement that said the government has got it all wrong this is what we should be doing rather than just slagging of the conservatives.
If you think this is not a difficult problem to deal with then I begin to wonder just how much you understand

I didn't personalise it, I don't live in the UK so used the 'Your' pronoun instead of 'our'.

I have posted the bones of my manifesto, i would be interested in your thoughts.

It is a bit of a pet subject of mine so I feel i have a decent understanding, I also believe i understand why it is made to appear so confusing (and how).

Again I urge you to read the UN refugee policies, they are a bit dull but really quite clear in what needs to happen.

Also if you are looking for the policy of the opposition I would point you towards their website.

Policy on asylum seekers and refugees / Britain in the world / Policy Commissions / Labour Policymaking

www.policyforum.labour.org.uk

 

[LamieRobertson]

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Any comparison to 1930s Germany by a celebrity or their followers is complete hyperbole and displays such ignorance it’s actually grossly insulting and highly offence really. Had Gary used the word Nazi, which he has in all but name, he’d have been dismissed. His ego is now preventing him from simply apologising, and stepping back from the fire. But then Braverman doesn’t either and she’s always exaggerating similarly so both bad as each other really.

For some people, having a government-supporting head of public broadcasting. who cancels someone criticising a Poltician in favour of scrapping the ECHR, and vilifying asylum seekers, is strikingly similar to 1930s germany.
The current direction of policy from the government, is further right, than any government in my lifetime.
It isn't hyperbole, just a comparison.

 

[Weststander]

It’s the appeal

HMRC slammed as Gary Lineker’s £4.9m IR35 bill is appealed - Contractor & Business Weekly

Gary Lineker has contested his £4.9m tax bill, with his representatives blasting HMRC for allegedly wanting the IR35 legislation to apply...

www.contractorweekly.com

It’s still an open tax case.

Interesting to see right wing twat John Redwood sticking his nose in, in your article. He’d have a much lower tax state and anyone engaged in broadcasting treated as freelance thus avoiding National Insurance.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Spot on. The current government have numerous obvious failings but anyone invoking the Nazis or fascism are either incredibly thick or have a screw loose ...

He did not mention or use the word Nazi.

 

[Baldseagull]

I agree on with you reference, this is nothing like the beginning of Hitlers rise to power, and it is somewhat a headline sensationalist look at me statement.
playing devil’s advocate I can also see, nationalism starts somewhere, although even I seriously doubt Rishi Sunak is the advocating what Gary is implying.

The Bill the Government is proposing will fail because it contravenes Human rights conventions that we are signed up to, so why are they doing it?
Two possible reasons I can think of;

1) They can make an argument for leaving these barriers to their proposed policy, and then either try again, or slip in some other policy that would contravene them, but would not get any public support.

2) They want to recreate the Leave/Remain divisions of the referendum, pit themselves as the party being restricted from protecting our borders because of European based courts, and Labour as the European sympathisers willing to give loss of security and sovereignty.

I think the 2nd is the most likely reasoning, but the 1st is a possibility, and where things may go if the 2nd reason is successful and they retain power, after all they will have promised it in their manifesto. This iteration of the Tory Party will do almost anything to maintain power.

 

[A1X]

Spot on. The current government have numerous obvious failings but anyone invoking the Nazis or fascism are either incredibly thick or have a screw loose ...

The road to fascism is lined with people accusing others of “overreacting”.

 

[Berty23]

Spot on. The current government have numerous obvious failings but anyone invoking the Nazis or fascism are either incredibly thick or have a screw loose ...

May I ask what you see as different between the language used in 1930s Germany (besides it being in German) from the current rhetoric.

As far as I can tell they talk about immigrants in the same way and demonise them (talk of invasions). They plan camps before getting rid of them. They have attacked the judges and lawyers.

In additions to what they have said, they have also cracked down on protests.

Now we have the state broadcaster making political decisions.

So what is different about the language used between now and 1930s Germany? No one is saying that this will end in the same way. He merely pointed out the similarities in the language. At what point would it become okay in your mind for someone to point out these obvious similarities?

What are the differences as you see it?

 

[Wokeworrier]

It’s the appeal

HMRC slammed as Gary Lineker’s £4.9m IR35 bill is appealed - Contractor & Business Weekly

Gary Lineker has contested his £4.9m tax bill, with his representatives blasting HMRC for allegedly wanting the IR35 legislation to apply...

www.contractorweekly.com

Not settled after all then ...