[News] France just what's going on?

[Leekbrookgull]

Is this a genuine case of Police being out of control or heavy handed or more like the usual suspects looking at causing mayhem?

 

[Justice]

Depends if you call police shooting a 17 year old dead during a routine traffic stop heavy handed.

 

[zefarelly]

Both.

This kind of thing should be common place in England but the working classes have been brainwashed and subdued for generations now.
I do wonder how bad things will get before people start protesting.

 

[vegster]

It's the traditional French Summer Riots.

 

[Bakero]

Depends if you call police shooting a 17 year old dead during a routine traffic stop heavy handed.

This. He was the 14th person to be killed by the police at traffic stops in the past 18 months.

 

[severnside gull]

Is this a genuine case of Police being out of control or heavy handed or more like the usual suspects looking at causing mayhem?

The former. Heavy handed and institutionally racist - an issue with many police forces our own included.

 

[severnside gull]

It's the traditional French Summer Riots.

No it is not for the reasons others explain above

 

[schmunk]

It's the traditional French Summer Riots.

The French are revolting.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Just the French police trying to be the Met.

 

[Bakero]

This is worth a read for some background https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...e-shootings-are-on-the-rise-on-france-s-roads

 

[BNthree]

Seems just the regular inner city summer riots they have every year over some police incident or another.

*EDIT* Which I see @vegster beat me to saying

 

[jcdenton08]

 

[Bakero]

Seems just the regular inner city summer riots they have every year over some police incident or another.

*EDIT* Which I see @vegster beat me to saying

Some police incident? A 17-year-old boy was shot in the head at point blank range.

 

[Happy Exile]

If by "usual suspects" you mean Islamaphobes, the right wing and racists looking at causing mayhem, then yes, it's them.

It's the French police in this case, as it often is in France. For years they've been brutal to any kind of minority / non-white group and any passing review of the news in Paris, but a lot of France, shows stories of beatings, victimisation, racism and little if any consequence for the police. The government is seen by many to be backing the police and making the situation worse, for example putting forward legislation to make it illegal to share images of police on social media while they are beating people up but not really doing a great deal to address the reasons why images of the police beating, say, a black teenager, are put on social media in the first place.

Part of this is because - insane as this might sound, in France racism isn't really seen as possible within the republican model of society. As such, for example when it comes to employment and social status "France considers distinctions on the basis of race/ethnicity to be illegitimate and therefore does not collect ethnic/racial statistics, creating significant barriers to measuring racial residential segregation or other inequalities."

So you have vast numbers of people victimised by the police, excluded from society, very much an underclass to many French people, unable to improve their lives all on the basis of their race or religion, and utterly denied any acknowledgement of their experience or recourse to justice because when they are denied a job, beaten up for looking at someone "wrong", fined and imprisoned for doing something a white person would get just a telling off for, kicked to death for being homeless, their shop burned down for being Muslim, a swastika on their shop because they are Jewish...well...none of that is racist because racism can't exist. A lot of them are descendants of people France invited over from their colonies because they needed their labour or asked them for support during various wars too, so it's even less surprising tensions boil over every couple of years.

 

[clapham_gull]

Both.

This kind of thing should be common place in England but the working classes have been brainwashed and subdued for generations now.
I do wonder how bad things will get before people start protesting.

Maybe I imagined the London riots.

 

[jcdenton08]

What confuses me is why gangs are looting the Nike store and high end electronics retailers? What do they have to do with an anti police brutality protest?

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Both.

This kind of thing should be common place in England but the working classes have been brainwashed and subdued for generations now.
I do wonder how bad things will get before people start protesting.

"These days, if you protest, you get arrested and thrown in jail."

(You literally do, don't you?)

 

[BNthree]

Some police incident? A 17-year-old boy was shot in the head at point blank range.

So that's not a police incident?? So what is it?

 

[Bakero]

What confuses me is why gangs are looting the Nike store and high end electronics retailers? What do they have to do with an anti police brutality protest?

Yes, because people nicking some trainers is the thing to focus on rather than the police murdering civilians.

 

[Bakero]

So that's not a police incident?? So what is it?

I was commenting on what seemed to be a fairly dismissive tone in your post.