[News] France just what's going on?

[Justice]

Who are the people with her?

No idea although I seem to have a fan

 

[worthingseagull123]

Poor bloke.

 

[Bakero]

Hi. Several have asked me for the data on these, and info on whether any police were charged and convicted. Do you happen to have the info? Or links?

I presume that if all were tried, convicted and given a hefty sentence it would mean that the French policing framework and legal system works a bit better than many of us have found ourselves inclined to believe.

Thanks in advance. HWT.

It turns out he was in fact the 16th citizen to die at the hands of the police in the last 18 months. As far as I know, there have been no convictions.

Last year, 3 police officers were found guilty of manslaughter after choking a 33-year-old man to death in 2015. They each received a suspended prison sentence.

 

[worthingseagull123]

It turns out he was in fact the 16th citizen to die at the hands of the police in the last 18 months. As far as I know, there have been no convictions.

Last year, 3 police officers were found guilty of manslaughter after choking a 33-year-old man to death in 2015. They each received a suspended prison sentence.

That certainly justifies attacking members of the public, destroying their property and stealing from stores.

 

[BadFish]

Both.

This kind of thing should be common place in England but the working classes have been brainwashed and subdued for generations now.
I do wonder how bad things will get before people start protesting.

They are a few steps away from protesting. The fact that people still vote Tory is staggering.

More likely to drink the Kool aid that protest at present.

 

[BadFish]

I can't see anything I'm saying that implies it's justified? There's a link between the killing of a teenager and looting though.

I love these exchanges,

1. Someone asks why people loot certain shops.
2. Someone explains why they loot certain shops.
3. 'So your justifying looting?'

 

[BadFish]

So the usual suspects aren't using the shooting, they're using the the substantial disorder that is occupying the police.

I do think some people are focussing too much on the looting trees rather than the much wider wooded disorder.

This is the brainwashing mentioned early in the thread.

 

[jcdenton08]

I love these exchanges,

1. Someone asks why people loot certain shops.
2. Someone explains why they loot certain shops.
3. 'So your justifying looting?'

And the vandalising of a Holocaust memorial? I’m sure you’ll agree this is outright persecution of a completely innocent group and severe custodial sentences are appropriate for such a hateful racist act against Jewish people?

 

[BadFish]

And the vandalising of a Holocaust memorial? I’m sure you’ll agree this is outright persecution of a completely innocent group and severe custodial sentences are appropriate for such a hateful racist act against Jewish people?

What has that got to do with my post?

 

[Happy Exile]

I love these exchanges,

1. Someone asks why people loot certain shops.
2. Someone explains why they loot certain shops.
3. 'So your justifying looting?'

I heard something recently where it was suggested that being "woke" simply means being able to hold a nuanced position. It was suggested that one of the most defining features of those who are "anti-woke" is their lack of this...some of these threads seem to validate that argument.
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[Weststander]

I heard something recently where it was suggested that being "woke" simply means being able to hold a nuanced position. It was suggested that one of the most defining features of those who are "anti-woke" is their lack of this...some of these threads seem to validate that argument.
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Isn’t a nuanced position being somewhere in the middle, individual views on any issue after thinking things through, impossible to pigeonhole.

In contrast to my experience these days of the bulk of the chatterati including here who take predictable left v right positions on every non-football matter. Going by the dictionary definition of woke, I don’t see such folk/opinions as nuanced. Instead rigidly on one side of the polarised world we find ourselves in.

 

[jcdenton08]

What has that got to do with my post?

I find the unprovoked attack of a Jewish Holocaust memorial absolutely abhorrent and the rise of antisemitism across Europe, and indeed in the UK, is of huge concern. As a country where the main political opposition have had huge problems with antisemitism (which they are trying to bring under control), I think any discussion which downplays or minimises the seriousness of this hate crime can be taken as racism.

 

[BadFish]

I find the unprovoked attack of a Jewish Holocaust memorial absolutely abhorrent and the rise of antisemitism across Europe, and indeed in the UK, is of huge concern. As a country where the main political opposition have had huge problems with antisemitism (which they are trying to bring under control), I think any discussion which downplays or minimises the seriousness of this hate crime can be taken as racism.

I will ask the same question, what has this got to do with my post about people assuming that an explanation of why, constitutes justification?

You seem to be suggesting that my post (written before my knowledge of the vandalism of the holocaust memorial) is in some way racist because it doesn't address the vandalism (I didn't not know about at the time).

But that would be insane, so what have your last two posts got to do with my post?

 

[jcdenton08]

I will ask the same question, what has this got to do with my post about people assuming that an explanation of why
constitutes justification?

You seem to be suggesting that my post (written before my knowledge of the vandalism of the holocaust memorial) is in some way racist because it doesn't address the vandalism (I didn't not know about at the time).

But that would be insane, so what have your last two posts got to do with my post?

Because your post was referencing mine, whereby I was pointing out that the looters, rioters and racist agitators have no interest in protesting the young lad’s death. They are there to push their own agenda, be it discontentment with being at the bottom of society, greed and a desire for violence under the cover of vengeance.

The explanation given, the one you reference in your post, doesn’t justify violent looting. Being poor and downtrodden does not entitle one to expensive luxury items, just because someone on the other side of the country was murdered. I am not entitled to stuff just because I am hard done by sometimes. Nobody is, regardless of your religion or the colour of your skin.

By handwaving civil disorder like rioting and looting, by targeting wealthy neighbourhoods and burning expensive cars, and desecrating Holocaust memorials, many protestors are showing their true colours and intentions.

 

[BadFish]

Because your post was referencing mine, whereby I was pointing out that the looters, rioters and racist agitators have no interest in protesting the young lad’s death. They are there to push their own agenda, be it discontentment with being at the bottom of society, greed and a desire for violence under the cover of vengeance.

The explanation given, the one you reference in your post, doesn’t justify violent looting. Being poor and downtrodden does not entitle one to expensive luxury items, just because someone on the other side of the country was murdered. I am not entitled to stuff just because I am hard done by sometimes. Nobody is, regardless of your religion or the colour of your skin.

By handwaving civil disorder like rioting and looting, by targeting wealthy neighbourhoods and burning expensive cars, and desecrating Holocaust memorials, many protestors are showing their true colours and intentions.

Right so you misunderstood my post and assumed a whole lot of nonsense that it didn't contain.

The post I quoted was in answer to your question/accusation that the other poster was justifying the looting. The answer was no.

My post was an observation that his explanation of why high end stores were lotted (in response to your question about why those high end stores were looted) resulted in your accusation of him justifying said looting. My post contained no position on if looting was justified or not.

If you want to argue with someone about the justification of the looting then go find someone who has expressed a position about it. You may be hard pushed to do that unless you assume that someone explaining why is trying to justify it.

My position on that is that it is a bit daft (just so we are clear).

 

[BadFish]

I think any discussion which downplays or minimises the seriousness of this hate crime can be taken as racism.

While we are here can you explain this in relation to my post?

 

[BadFish]

Isn’t a nuanced position being somewhere in the middle, individual views on any issue after thinking things through, impossible to pigeonhole.

In contrast to my experience these days of the bulk of the chatterati including here who take predictable left v right positions on every non-football matter. Going by the dictionary definition of woke, I don’t see such folk/opinions as nuanced. Instead rigidly on one side of the polarised world we find ourselves in.

Not so much somewhere in the middle. More as looking at different aspects simultaneously and without Leaping to one side or another.

In this case it was an explanation as to why. Without the need for judgement either way. It didn't land well with some because they required a non nuanced good/bad answer.

Like you say we live in a binary good/bad world that stifles understanding.

Apparently not commenting on something adequately is seen as racism by some. (I must have this wrong, because that would be 1984 insane).

 

[jcdenton08]

While we are here can you explain this in relation to my post?

I wasn’t calling you or anyone else here racist, I am saying it was a racist act which should be condemned by all in the strongest possible terms.

 

[BadFish]

I wasn’t calling you or anyone else here racist, I am saying it was a racist act which should be condemned by all in the strongest possible terms.

It read like you were saying that anyone who downplayed this or minimised it's seriousness was a racist?

So if someone doesn't 'condemn it in the strongest possible terms' they are a racist?

 

[BadFish]

Double post