Fox hunting

[BadFish]

Has anyone mentioned how rude and unsociable these hunts are. On the few occasions I have encountered hunts while out riding they have cut across us and busseled us out of the way. When riding a young nervous horse this has proved quite dangerous. This coupled with them jumping fences on my parents place without permission and breaking stuff as they have ridden through.

A complete lack of respect for other countryside users is perhaps not that much of a surprise given their choice of hobby. Bunch of ****ing hooligans.

 

[lawros left foot]

The same as the banking collapse was the fault of all bank customers? If it wasn't for the people on the back of the horses, hunting wouldn't excist. If landowners didnt allow hunts to cross their land hunting couldn't excist. If it wasn't for Tory M.P.s watering down the hunting bill, until it was largely unworkable, hunting wouldn't excist. If the Judiciary prosecuted criminal huntsman, with the full power of the law, hunting wouldn't excist

 

[Camicus]

Has anyone mentioned how rude and unsociable these hunts are. On the few occasions I have encountered hunts while out riding they have cut across us and busseled us out of the way. When riding a young nervous horse this has proved quite dangerous. This coupled with them jumping fences on my parents place without permission and breaking stuff as they have ridden through.

A complete lack of respect for other countryside users is perhaps not that much of a surprise given their choice of hobby. Bunch of ****ing hooligans.m

My Dad banned them from his farm because of there attitude and inability to control there hounds

 

[lawros left foot]

My Dad banned them from his farm because of there attitude and inability to control there hounds

Good man, if only more would

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

Friends usually.

You haven't got any! Not be use you're a toff, because you're a cvnt! Get the message!

 

[BadFish]

http://www.vet-wildlifemanagement.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=32

This should quieten all those who believe hunting foxes with hounds is inhumane.

The heading is "A Veterinary Opinion on Hunting with Hounds". I think you are guilty of passing off opinion as fact here.

The report is based on 15 kills (they mention 6 others but decided not to use this evidence in the report), hardly exhaustive is it.

It also talks about the cause of death being instantaneous however there is no mention of the other bites that a fox may receive before the fatal one is administered. The report does however go into much detail and many statistics about the effects of a missed shot injuring animals. This lack of balance in investigation highlights the 'opinion' of the writer.

the report also admits that "It must be accepted that with any hunted animal a variable period of physiological stress will occur in the short final phase of the hunt when it could be argued that the animal may be suffering."

As 'proof' this opinion leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[Creaky]

http://www.vet-wildlifemanagement.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=32

This should quieten all those who believe hunting foxes with hounds is inhumane.

Not really - it doesn't address the major point that fox hunting is carried out as a leisure pursuit and is totally impractical as a means of controlling the fox population.

As that reports states over 135,000 foxes are currently killed by shooting - just a simple calculation shows how impractical it would be to try and kill that many foxes via hunting.

Hunting may be the more humane way of killing a fox than other methods but that doesn't make the killing of them for fun any more defensible.

Add to the above the apparent contradiction in that report that claims a chase will only last ten minutes, not long enough it is claimed for the fox to suffer undue stress and the following statement from the same report

"It must be accepted that with any hunted animal a variable period of physiological stress will occur in the short final phase of the hunt when it could be argued that the animal may be suffering . . . . . . . . . This final phase will be, relative to the duration of the hunt, brief and usually less than 2 minutes for a fox hunt."

How can 20% of the length of a hunt when the fox is 'suffering' be considered brief!

 

[BadFish]

Good man, if only more would

Banning them doesn't make much difference when they have blood lust in their nostrils.

 

[Camicus]

Banning them doesn't make much difference when they have blood lust in their nostrils.

Very true but a very large ex paratrooper having the whipper in by the throat has a tendency to get the message across

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

Not really - it doesn't address the major point that fox hunting is carried out as a leisure pursuit and is totally impractical as a means of controlling the fox population.

As that reports states over 135,000 foxes are currently killed by shooting - just a simple calculation shows how impractical it would be to try and kill that many foxes via hunting.

Hunting may be the more humane way of killing a fox than other methods but that doesn't make the killing of them for fun any more defensible.

Add to the above the apparent contradiction in that report that claims a chase will only last ten minutes, not long enough it is claimed for the fox to suffer undue stress and the following statement from the same report

"It must be accepted that with any hunted animal a variable period of physiological stress will occur in the short final phase of the hunt when it could be argued that the animal may be suffering . . . . . . . . . This final phase will be, relative to the duration of the hunt, brief and usually less than 2 minutes for a fox hunt."

How can 20% of the length of a hunt when the fox is 'suffering' be considered brief!

Lance Corporal cvnt can't answer that. Not because he's a 'toff'. Because he's a complete cvnt!

 

[BadFish]

Very true but a very large ex paratrooper having the whipper in by the throat has a tendency to get the message across

I am quite enjoying that image

"Having your neck snapped isn't inhumane you know, a vet who likes hunting said so"

 

[Camicus]

I am quite enjoying that image

"Having your neck snapped isn't inhumane you know, a vet who likes hunting said so"

I would string them up by their bollocks

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

http://www.vet-wildlifemanagement.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=32

This should quieten all those who believe hunting foxes with hounds is inhumane.

What's happening soft lad? Been a bit quiet for a couple of hours.

 

[BadFish]

I would string them up by their bollocks

Now that is inhumane.....although it is a very efficient way to cull them

 

[The blacksmith]

I have been accused of being anti toff,and been told that apparently hunting is widely enjoyed across the social strata, I think this is bollocks as the cost of a good hunter, stabling said horse and hunt fees ect, is far beyond the means of most people in this country. It is, therefore, probable that most huntsmen are in the upper 10% of wealthy people. To critcise the bottom 10% of wealth owners in the country, would be ludicrous as , I doubt many of them hunt.

In my profession I come into contact with people who regularly hunt and I can assure you that many are working and middle class . I personally chose not to attend hunting meets but fully understand the reasoning for hunting even though many don't. Majority of foxes caught are old or infirm .a healthy fox will know the area and often escape. As junior has said the other methods such as shooting ,poisoning or trapping can be far more inhumane as sometimes a fox will take days to die in agony.foxes are vermin e and if left unchecked will cause problems with over population and this is why many foxes have populated towns and cities simply searching for food.they will attack pets such as rabbits , cats and chickens and often don't kill just what they eat but the whole coupe just for the hell of it.

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

In my profession I come into contact with people who regularly hunt and I can assure you that many are working and middle class . I personally chose not to attend hunting meets but fully understand the reasoning for hunting even though many don't. Majority of foxes caught are old or infirm .a healthy fox will know the area and often escape. As junior has said the other methods such as shooting ,poisoning or trapping can be far more inhumane as sometimes a fox will take days to die in agony.foxes are vermin e and if left unchecked will cause problems with over population and this is why many foxes have populated towns and cities simply searching for food.they will attack pets such
as rabbits , cats and chickens and often don't kill just what they eat but the whole coupe just for the hell of it.

Thanks, that's a really good, balanced view.

But junior's still a cvnt!

 

[BadFish]

In my profession I come into contact with people who regularly hunt and I can assure you that many are working and middle class . I personally chose not to attend hunting meets but fully understand the reasoning for hunting even though many don't. Majority of foxes caught are old or infirm .a healthy fox will know the area and often escape. As junior has said the other methods such as shooting ,poisoning or trapping can be far more inhumane as sometimes a fox will take days to die in agony.foxes are vermin e and if left unchecked will cause problems with over population and this is why many foxes have populated towns and cities simply searching for food.they will attack pets such as rabbits , cats and chickens and often don't kill just what they eat but the whole coupe just for the hell of it.

Another reasons they populate towns and cities is that towns and cities have spread into their habitat.Urban encroachment has a lot to answer for, although we find it easier to blame the animals rather than ourselves. I heard someone talking the other day about the bats carrying the ebola virus losing their habitat to urban development around the latest outbreak.

 

[Creaky]

In my profession I come into contact with people who regularly hunt and I can assure you that many are working and middle class . I personally chose not to attend hunting meets but fully understand the reasoning for hunting even though many don't. Majority of foxes caught are old or infirm .a healthy fox will know the area and often escape. As junior has said the other methods such as shooting ,poisoning or trapping can be far more inhumane as sometimes a fox will take days to die in agony.foxes are vermin e and if left unchecked will cause problems with over population and this is why many foxes have populated towns and cities simply searching for food.they will attack pets such as rabbits , cats and chickens and often don't kill just what they eat but the whole coupe just for the hell of it.

I can fully accept that a by-product of hunting is to help keep the fox population under control - what I can't accept is that an activity which causes any level of cruelty to any animal and is carried out primarily for fun is defensible.

 

[BadFish]

In my profession I come into contact with people who regularly hunt and I can assure you that many are working and middle class . I personally chose not to attend hunting meets but fully understand the reasoning for hunting even though many don't. Majority of foxes caught are old or infirm .a healthy fox will know the area and often escape. As junior has said the other methods such as shooting ,poisoning or trapping can be far more inhumane as sometimes a fox will take days to die in agony.foxes are vermin e and if left unchecked will cause problems with over population and this is why many foxes have populated towns and cities simply searching for food.they will attack pets such as rabbits , cats and chickens and often don't kill just what they eat but the whole coupe just for the hell of it.

it is an interesting difference between the UK and Australia in how they consider pets and vermin. Australians think of cats, rabbits and any other introduced species as vermin and native species are considered worthy of protection. So cats are seen as vermin because they kill the native wildlife. this is obvioulsy because of the effect that introduced species have had on the delicate eco system over here.

Not sure why I mention this but I thought is is an interesting and different view point.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

The annual fox hunting nsc debate.... pass me a sherry would you watson.