fox hunting ban today?

[Tom Bombadil]

It's the only reason I don't back the fox hunting ban; it's got nothing to do with cruelty to anaimals and everything to do with class war.

Actually I dislike a lot of the anti's. Too many anarchists and Trot's jumping on the bandwagon, not cos they understand the issues, but cos they can have a go at some toffs

 

[looney]

It is if your an athiest or you beleive in the seperation of church and state.


Have a good weekend Volvo, try not to tred in any fox crap...it stinks.

 

[m20gull]

So, and correct me if I've misinterpreted you here, but living your life by the rules set down by the man you believe to be the prophet of god is the same as beleiving it's ok to hunt an animal with dog's because you enjoy it.

So pleased to report you have misinterpreted me.

If the majority consider a behaviour unacceptable then it should be illegal regardless of your belief. Hunting animals for sport should be illegal, whether they are foxes, hares or fish. Killing animals by cutting their throats without stunning is illegal, unless your personal belief says it is OK. This last is wrong. If it's not acceptable, it's not acceptable.

 

[Spiros]

It's not even a class war. It's a war by city-dwellers on a sport they don't understand that's enjoyed in the main by people who live in the country, rather than just look at it at weekends.

I am not a fox hunt supporter but this smacks of banning something that is not totally understood but looks a bit unpleasant what with old Basil Brush getting ripped up by some nasty toffs.

Anyone who has seen the result of a fox's evening of pleasure when they get into a chicken coop soon comes to realise that a fox hunt dishes out a far quicker and more humane death to the fox than the fox dishes out to it's victims.

By all means ban stag hunting, hare coursing, cock fighting, etc as these animals are not cruel pests like the fox. The fox hunt ban serves no useful purpose other than to assert the city will over the country and, as Looney rightly says, allow the lefties to say they put one over the toffs.

 

[aftershavedave]

The fox hunt ban serves no useful purpose other than to assert the city will over the country and, as Looney rightly says, allow the lefties to say they put one over the toffs.

if that was the only reason it would be enough for me.

add to that the fact that it's inhumane as any bloodsport and that's why i'll be celebrating come 5.30 tonight.

 

[Meade's Ball]

Anyone who has seen the result of a fox's evening of pleasure when they get into a chicken coop soon comes to realise that a fox hunt dishes out a far quicker and more humane death to the fox than the fox dishes out to it's victims.

You're asking foxes to act humanely? Surely you can only ask humans to do that. Foxes will act foxily.

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

Another "blinkered half-wit" here, I agree with Looney. A few foxes getting killed, big deal, they're not much more than vermin anyway. It's a token gesture to appease the city dwellers who read too many newspapers, and win a few votes at the same time.

Yeah, so if they need to be killed, do so with professional marksmen who do it for a living, rather than letting loose a load of bloodthristy idiots who'll chase an animal until it collapses through exhaustion, all in the name of their piteous entertainment. Killing should not be a sport, and the "vermin" arguement is a complete non-starter.

 

[Titanic]

This is the result of the Hunting Ban in Scotland.

Not exactly a triumph for the chattering-class, leftie, townie, cuddly-little-fox lovers, is it ??

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=40&id=221562003

 

[clapham_gull]

It's not even a class war. It's a war by city-dwellers on a sport they don't understand that's enjoyed in the main by people who live in the country, rather than just look at it at weekends.

I am not a fox hunt supporter but this smacks of banning something that is not totally understood but looks a bit unpleasant what with old Basil Brush getting ripped up by some nasty toffs.

Anyone who has seen the result of a fox's evening of pleasure when they get into a chicken coop soon comes to realise that a fox hunt dishes out a far quicker and more humane death to the fox than the fox dishes out to it's victims.

By all means ban stag hunting, hare coursing, cock fighting, etc as these animals are not cruel pests like the fox. The fox hunt ban serves no useful purpose other than to assert the city will over the country and, as Looney rightly says, allow the lefties to say they put one over the toffs.

Can you answer a question that I honestly quite find an answer to. What happens to the hounds after they have served their purpose and get on a bit ? I would understand that they can't be easily retrained as household pets.

I was brought up in the country and whilst being exposed to hunting took no part in it and assumed it to be cruel. To be honest most of the people I circulated with were anti-hunting.

I think many people in the countryside have jumped on the "pro-fox hunting bandwagon" because they have a number of concerns that are not being dealt with by a unconcerned labour government.

1. Petrol Prices, people in the countryside should pay a lot less for it in my opinion, although I am very anti-car (living in London)

2. Closure of local shops and post offices and therefore relying on their cars (see above) to get simple services.

I think these people are being manipulated by (and I'm sorry) by a landowning class who are as class obsessed as the people who oppose them.

Anyone who lives in the country will now that the "traditional dress" of the countryside working community is not a spotless waxed jacket, wellies and a panama hat more suited to pastime of watching cricket.

That's what I saw on the tube this morning.

 

[On the Left Wing]

This is the result of the Hunting Ban in Scotland.

Not exactly a triumph for the chattering-class, leftie, townie, cuddly-little-fox lovers, is it ??

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=40&id=221562003

Sorry to pour oil on this but that appeared in The Scotsman, which is more right wing than the Torygraph/Daily Mail.
One of the last jobs I was asked to do as a staffer there in 1997 was to research and write a news story to "PROVE" that cows suffered as much distress in a slaughterhouse than deer do when being pursued in a hunt. When I came back to the Editor (Martin Clarke) after two days research and interviewing and told him the reverse was true, he simply said: "Well make it up then, Nic"
That is a measure of the newspaper and its executives!

 

[On the Left Wing]

Can you answer a question that I honestly quite find an answer to. What happens to the hounds after they have served their purpose and get on a bit ? I would understand that they can't be easily retrained as household pets.

They are shot by the Master of Hounds as it is cheaper than taking them to the vet to be humanely "put down"

 

[clapham_gull]

They are shot by the Master of Hounds as it is cheaper than taking them to the vet to be humanely "put down"

Honest answer and that's my problem with it.

 

[Titanic]

When I came back to the Editor (Martin Clarke) after two days research and interviewing and told him the reverse was true, he simply said: "Well make it up then, Nic"
That is a measure of the newspaper and its executives!

No that's a measure of a significant proportion of newspaper journalists and a major reason why the press is held in such low regard.

 

[On the Left Wing]

No that's a measure of a significant proportion of newspaper journalists and a major reason why the press is held in such low regard.

Afraid I agree with you Titanic!
One of main reasons why I got out of the profession four years ago

 

[Brovion]

Oh who really gives a toss? Why is foxhunting so important? What is it with the British and bloody animals? Ban it, regulate it, make it compulsory, I don't care as I am neither in favor or opposed. But when you've banned it and wasted Parlimentary time on it and filled up the prisons with all the used-car dealers who do it - then CAN WE SORT OUT SOMETHING IMPORTANT PLEASE LIKE TRANSPORT OR THE NHS? And if you want to care about something how about children being starved and murdered as opposed to some cuddly-wuddly foxes?

PS - For any who think banning hunting is 'left-wing'. My far-right father will be pleased as he hates all unnecessary suffering. Hunting was his first target, fishing next.

 

[3gulls]

Can we arrange a "hunt Nicholas Soames" day? He might even lose some weight.

Very funny! and how about his grandfather? Better still that fat cun* Prescot!

 

[Meade's Ball]

I went on a fox hunt. Admittedly, to scupper it alongside many crusties, lefties and scummers. It was a truly horrible day. The rain came down as we chased horses and laid scent (not my own) to distract the hounds from the fox. We ended up unsuccessful. The fox was caught and slain for being a fox, and we were threatened by the hunters' henchman and warned by police for trying to do what we thought was right. The pagentry was evident as soon as we got there. The hunters laughed, trapped in their stereotypes, as haughtily as could be. They couldn't care less what the saboteurs were doing. It just made it more of a challenge for them as we disappeared into one unified muddy morass.

I don't know the point of me writing this down. It's just a memory i have. If they ever truly manage to ban fox-hunting, it will be a glorious day.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Anyone who has seen the result of a fox's evening of pleasure when they get into a chicken coop soon comes to realise that a fox hunt dishes out a far quicker and more humane death to the fox than the fox dishes out to it's victims.

By all means ban stag hunting, hare coursing, cock fighting, etc as these animals are not cruel pests like the fox. The fox hunt ban serves no useful purpose other than to assert the city will over the country and, as Looney rightly says, allow the lefties to say they put one over the toffs.

Foxes are not cruel. That is projecting a human character trait onto an animal.

Foxes are naturally "programmed" to kill as much food as possible when the opportunity arises. The act of penning chickens up allows the fox to kill many more birds at one time than it would be able to in the wild. The fox given enough time would bury all the dead birds in "larders" to consume later. What usually happens is that it is disturbed by human activity before it is able to do this.
The animal is not inherently cruel, it is following it's instincts.

 

[beorhthelm]

What Brovian said.

Id iterate that the thing that gets me angry about this issue is the fact that its given the amount of time and effort it has been given. In the grander scheme of things its such a non issue that i get really pissed off that it takes up Parlimentry time when there are so many more important ills in our society that get put back. At the end of the day, if its such hugh issue for the majority of people, why the f*** didnt/couldnt Labour deal with it first time round

 

[lost in london]

I think it should continue, I don't like foxes very much and don't have a deep rooted bitterness that there are people more rich or aristocratic than me and want to spoil their fun, this seems to me to be a big motivating factor of many, but note NOT ALL, of the hunt opposers, a real anti-monarchist viewpoint. But if they want to ban it then fair enough, it's a democracy and if most people don't want it then there is nothing I can do. I struggle to get that passionate about it.

As has been said above, what I object to is the amount of time money and energy that is being taken up by this. In the same way that I haven't got much time for the anti animal testing groups, why don't we try and sort out our own problems like child abuse, poverty and social exclusion before looking at these other things?