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Four main items on the news on Radio 2 yesterday



somerset

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I'm just repeating what was on the news.

I just looked up the word bigot in the dictionary. Not me. I'm certainly not "utterly intolerant" of anyone. Just highlighting that certain groups seem to be creating a lot more trouble in the world than others.

Of course you forgot to factor in, before your post was submitted that if your view has even a whiff of a position anywhere right of Joe Stalin, you are just setting yourself up for abuse and derision from the 'right-on' crowd on this site.
 




daveinprague

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...applying your skewed approach to analysis and responsibility, we should all come to the conclusion that the Romans are to blame.....their rampant Empire expansionist policies, both economically and militarily, laid the seeds of what we see today.....blame Italy.......or does your statute of limitations for culpability only stretch to modern era timeslots?

Because the Romans have been active in the middle east over the last 10 years.?
If its directly related to their actions, of course, I am considering 'recent' timeslots.
We are discussing 'the news', not ancient
history.
 


Buzzer

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Woolwich - as stated by the murdering twats...a reaction to muslims being killed by western forces in muslim countries.

Iraq - Civil war created by western countries.

Syria - A dictator kept in place by western countries for years.

Stanstead - Who knows? Couple of mad people?

Looks like the common factor is western forces foreign policy to me.


Someone else twisting the news to fit their own this time left-wing anti-Western agenda.

As Somerset has shown - it becomes silly to try to pinpoint root causes but the Woolwich murders were caused because 2 impressionable converts were radicalised by bigoted zealots.

Stanstead - agreed. No idea.

Iraq - oil. Always has been.

Syria - dodgy state propped up by superpower. This time it's Russia and the West too but China has its pet dictators, Russia and the US too. It's not exclusively a Western phenomenon.
 




goldstone

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Bigot - someone who is intolerant of other's beliefs. You clearly have a problem with Islam. You think they are the major cause of the world's problems. That's a pretty big claim. Sorry mate, you're a bigot.

At the present time, looking at the world's problems, a very large number of them seem to be associated in some way with Islam. I don't see the Buddhists creating too much mayhem right now.

I don't happen to have a very high opinion of Islam, but then again I don't have a very high opinion of any religion, but I have no problem with any religious folk going about practicing their religions and praying to their gods in a nice quiet way and not disturbing the rest of us who find religious beliefs a bit weird.
 




daveinprague

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No doubt about it, im left wing...am I anti Western, no...I love the west. Do I admire the foreign policies of some of the western nations. Not really.
 


daveinprague

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Buddists were only recently attacking and killing Muslims in Burma (and vice versa)
Im the same regarding religion... but...our Christian forces, are in Muslim lands... so its bound to take on a relgious tone.
 


goldstone

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Someone else twisting the news to fit their own this time left-wing anti-Western agenda.

Iraq - oil. Always has been.

But in Iraq right now it's Sunnis murdering Shiites and Shiites murdering Sunnis. Is that what Islam preaches? Murder thy fellow Muslim if you don't like his version of the religion?

Frankly the country was a lot better off under Saddam.
 




dougdeep

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Those weren't the 4 main items. End of.
 


somerset

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Because the Romans have been active in the middle east over the last 10 years.?
If its directly related to their actions, of course, I am considering 'recent' timeslots.
We are discussing 'the news', not ancient
history.

Aahhh right, I see, so when it suits you throw in, on a regular basis, the ancient colonial policies of the European powers, as reasons why there is much division and enmity across what is euphemistically called the third world......but strategically leave out what India, China and now Brazil are doing across vast swathes of the third world, on a bigger scale and with little or no thought to the local populations beyond some quick short term economic wins.
 






daveinprague

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But the problems that we are reaping the benefit of in the middle east have been only there for the last 50 odd years... repercussions of coloialism will last for decades... and dont see the relationship you are making.
 


Camicus

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But the problems that we are reaping the benefit of in the middle east have been only there for the last 50 odd years... repercussions of coloialism will last for decades... and dont see the relationship you are making.

94% of Muslims killed in Iraq and Afghanistan have been killed by other Muslims for not being Muslim enough
 


daveinprague

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Well, I would say its a civil war in Iraq (that was long predicted after the fall of Saddam, that Saddam kept a lid on) between two branches of Islam..a bit like catholics and protestants..., why do we even have troops in Afghanistan? Its Americas war, not ours....
 




goldstone

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94% of Muslims killed in Iraq and Afghanistan have been killed by other Muslims for not being Muslim enough

It's quite clear from reading this that the world's problems are caused by religion.

Smart intelligent people would ditch their religious beliefs and become atheists.

Mind you, we'd probably then have the Sunni Atheists killing the Shiite Atheists and vice versa.
 


hans kraay fan club

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Buddists were only recently attacking and killing Muslims in Burma (and vice versa)
Im the same regarding religion... but...our Christian forces, are in Muslim lands... so its bound to take on a relgious tone.

Who are these 'Christian forces'?

Surely any military involvement in the middle east is political (or financial), rather than a religious crusade? Are all of the troops 'Christian'?
 


somerset

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But the problems that we are reaping the benefit of in the middle east have been only there for the last 50 odd years... repercussions of coloialism will last for decades... and dont see the relationship you are making.

Who is benefitting???......we are all benefitting, north south east and west all buy and use the oil, you have a habit of missing the vital bits of info out. Info such as every nation of all political and religious standpoints exploit the oil in the middle east, all of them. .....AND those oil producing nations benefit from the vast we health generated as a result. There may be questions over how that wealth is distributed internally in those countries, but what is a certainty, is that in fifty Yeats when viable oil production starts to slow and stop.....and technology gives us another power source, those middle east boom towns will once again start to return to the desolate dust bowls they once were,,....only this time the residents of these countries will start to migrate north and west......something I believe Nostradamus was said to have predicted in one of his translations.
 


daveinprague

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Good...so we have got there...the issue is all countries, and not 'muzzies'.


When I lived in Saudi, I asked people what would happen when the oil ran out.....the answer was minerals...gold ...etc...they havnt even started on it yet.
 








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