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Black and white flag don’t do anything else naughty, proceeds to miss the corner whilst under pressure then weave about on the following straight 
Only a Ferrari in Monza would get away with that.
But honestly I’m glad Le Clerc won, he’s deserved some luck this season he could have had 4/5 wins were in not for unfortunate luck, he drove a good race, can’t see Ferrari competing for the rest of the season though Mercedes clearly have a better race car, Ferrari have a supreme engine/engine mode.
Only a Ferrari in Monza would get away with that. But honestly I’m glad Le Clerc won, he’s deserved some luck this season he could have had 4/5 wins were in not for unfortunate luck, he drove a good race, can’t see Ferrari competing for the rest of the season though Mercedes clearly have a better race car, Ferrari have a supreme engine/engine mode.
Driving a red car in Italy eh?
Drive Hamilton off the track - naughty, don't do anything else bad, or we'll be forced to do something
Drive off the track yourself to avoid being overtaken - no action
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Yes. The reality and rules of racing cars. CL was half a car ahead and taking the line . . . . It's the other drivers choice to back down or take the risk.
Black and white flag don’t do anything else naughty, proceeds to miss the corner whilst under pressure then weave about on the following straight
But honestly I’m glad Le Clerc won, he’s deserved some luck this season he could have had 4/5 wins were in not for unfortunate luck, he drove a good race, can’t see Ferrari competing for the rest of the season though Mercedes clearly have a better race car, Ferrari have a supreme engine/engine mode.
Local knowledge. Bumps innit. :roll eyes:
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Swerving under breaks going toward the next chicane. He almost chopped Hamilton (who was driving to win the World Championship, not the race).
A bit lucky? He just drove Lewis off the track.
He may be a spent force, I don't know, but I don't think he had a choice when coming back on. If he'd tried to get onto the track without risking getting in anyone's way, it would have taken too long and his race would have been over anyway, so there was no point. Might as well risk it and hope he got lucky. He didn't.
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That is a pretty cavalier attitude imo
You do realise that the guy who died at Spa last weekend was T Boned? That was an incredibly dangerous and stupid move by Vettel and if Stroll had not avoided him it would have been a horrendous accident.
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Nonsense, he had a clear choice, run a car off the track and risk a massive accident to try to keep a top 10 place, or wait for a gap and work your way up from further back, or last if he had to. (which would have been frustrating for him, but it was his mistake that put him in the position in the first place).
He made the wrong choice, the 10 second penalty was the least he deserved for that.
I personally thought Stroll should have been penalised for doing something similar seconds later.
He made the wrong choice, the 10 second penalty was the least he deserved for that.
I personally thought Stroll should have been penalised for doing something similar seconds later.
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I think F1 is in a weird position at the moment where clearly safety is being highlighted due to death or serious injury, but the drivers are getting away with more and more aggressive driving, (ie Verstappen run off Le Clerc at Austria and here, Le Clerc ran off Hamilton) a year ago, that would have been a penalty. The drivers are saying they’re happy with “hard racing”. I think they need to be protected from themselves more.
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... And the black and white flag should be decommissioned unless anything is going to happen as a result of it being waved
They certainly need protecting from Vettel at the moment. I think Leclerc had every right to take his line . . . . Hamilton would have done the same . . .its happened to me at Spa a few years back, I was livid at the time, because I was trying so hard to overtake, but on reflection, had to back out as I was not ahead and the car ahead had the right to the line.
I'd like to see the flag used more for exceeding track limits. you'd never get away with it in historics or most club racing.
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He was given a drive through rather than a stop go wasn’t he but I take your point. He certainly got a penalty but not as severe as Vettels
It is, but you don't win F1 world championships by putting safety first.
Well that's incorrect. His choice was to risk running a car off the track. He didn't know for a fact that a car would be there. I imagine he knew that if there was a car there, they'd be able to avoid him, which Stroll did.
He certainly deserved the penalty, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision to make at the time.
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Hamilton was ahead a split second earlier, before Leclerc got his nose marginally back in front. Leclerc had the inside line for the next corner, that was his advantage, but he shouldn't have been going all the way to the outside to push Hamilton off. Have you got a link to Hamilton ever having done the same?
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Well, let’s accept for a moment, that Vettel couldn’t see who was coming (which I doubt as he wasn’t far off facing the oncoming traffic after his spin stopped), then let’s also say it’s acceptable to re-enter a F1 circuit whilst guessing whether there’s a space for you to do so (which it isn’t), he’s still got to be thinking, it’s right at the start of the race, the cars are highly likely to be bunched. Clearly they were.
My assumption is that he couldn't see. That's what the commentators believed, since you can't move much in the car. And it wouldn't have made sense in any scenario to pull out if he knew Stroll was there.
Yes they were likely to be quite bunched, and it was a big risk, but there were some gaps. There was a gap behind Stroll, so if he'd waited half a second longer he'd have got away with it and rejoined in 8th place. His alternative was to sit there and wait for a marshal to notice that he needed someone to guide him back on, so he'd have come on in last place, quite away behind the driver in front, with his race over.
You're suggestion is that he did that, immediately accepting that his race was over. With his choice, at least he had some chance of being in the top 10 and still in a position to finish high up. I see it as an understandable choice from someone who wants to win.
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For a self confessed “non fan” of F1 you are pretty involved in this thread!
Vettel has absolutely no chance of winning the Championship. It was a very dangerous move of a desperate and selfish has been
If it had been a rookie it may have been vaguely understandable but unforgivable from a four time champion. Vettel has a history of complaining about every other driver who gets in his way too, which makes it even worse imo.
he wasn't, he pulled alongside, Lelerc then got ahead . . . half a car. He could have given Hamilton a bit more room, but wanted the best line through for himself . . . . or would have compromised his own line, it was a bit agressive, but Hamilton knew what was coming. a warning was fair.
Vettel on the other hand could have caused a massive accident and it was very deliberate. spinning his wheels the whole time on the grass, he didn't look or wait ( whether he could see or not is another matter) There's a better argument to have black flagged him.