For queen and country?

[Cian]

When the Irish did this they elected a Eurovision singer as their head of state."

No we didn't. She came fourth, somehow, in a field of five, and just sixth in a field of seven the second time.

First time she ran we elected a human rights laywer, second time we elected a former senior minister and academic.

 

[The Spanish]

No we didn't. She came fourth, somehow, in a field of five, and just sixth in a field of seven the second time.

First time she ran we elected a human rights laywer, second time we elected a former senior minister and academic.

with the greatest of respect mate ROI has elected some very dodgy people over the years into the highest positions.

 

[lawros left foot]

with the greatest of respect mate ROI has elected some very dodgy people over the years into the highest positions.

But at least they could vote them out when it all went tits up

 

[The Spanish]

But at least they could vote them out when it all went tits up

llf you are a good lad, and i enjoy discussing with you, but elections in places like north kerry which voted in martin ferris, were not swayed by baby kissing. i was working there when he got voted in, very very sinister.

 

[lawros left foot]

Still not as bad as some of our heads of state going back through history,Edward 1, Henry 8, Mary,the list goes on

 

[cunning fergus]

You are quite right they are at the apex of a tradition of privilege and advantage be it education, money, or just plain opportunity! But the difference is they take our tax money in which I have no say! And they get involved in law making from an unelected position, if our democracy is to improve this must change. As for the other countries no doubt there are people within them who feel just the same as us republicans.

We've done this before...............but...............we contribute billions and billions of taxpayers money to the EU, who (as an institution) have individuals in charge that neither you or I have elected.

The EU (via these individuals) has the constitutional power to institute laws that our own elected government will not implement via Parliament..............and they have done so, and continue to do so.

If you are vexed with the UK's undemocratic constitutional structure that costs every taxpayer 60p as oppose to £581, you are barking up the wrong tree.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tra-770m-in-unjustified-EU-contributions.html

 

[cunning fergus]

This. oh and bad...

I can agree with that..............but surely you will feel the same way about this shower of shit...............yes or no?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...owing-in-their-parents-footsteps-8430202.html

 

[Doc Lynam]

We've done this before...............but...............we contribute billions and billions of taxpayers money to the EU, who (as an institution) have individuals in charge that neither you or I have elected.

The EU (via these individuals) has the constitutional power to institute laws that our own elected government will not implement via Parliament..............and they have done so, and continue to do so.

If you are vexed with the UK's undemocratic constitutional structure that costs every taxpayer 60p as oppose to £581, you are barking up the wrong tree.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...tra-770m-in-unjustified-EU-contributions.html

I think i remember the discussion were you the one who like that 'bongo bongo land' party UKIP?

 

[lawros left foot]

I can agree with that..............but surely you will feel the same way about this shower of shit...............yes or no?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...owing-in-their-parents-footsteps-8430202.html

Isnt it strange how politicians of all persuasions, try to convince us how hard their job is, and how they need a huge wage to make it worthwhile,and then try to push us into voting for their kids. If the jobwas that bad, i wouldnt want my kids to be saddled with it

 

[BHAZiggy]

with the greatest of respect mate ROI has elected some very dodgy people over the years into the highest positions.

You tell me any nation that hasn't!

 

[Cian]

with the greatest of respect mate ROI has elected some very dodgy people over the years into the highest positions.

As has the UK. That wasn't the topic.

Kerry is about as niche a situation as possible - that's the place that has elected multiple generations of the Healy-Rae family purely because they pretend to be as stupid as their voters.

 

[cunning fergus]

I think i remember the discussion were you the one who like that 'bongo bongo land' party UKIP?

Thanks for your insight, for you i suspect its a well considered response.

 

[cunning fergus]

Isnt it strange how politicians of all persuasions, try to convince us how hard their job is, and how they need a huge wage to make it worthwhile,and then try to push us into voting for their kids. If the jobwas that bad, i wouldnt want my kids to be saddled with it

Yes but the abuse of power, patronage and exercising influence for the benefit of children are as old as the hills.

You may feel that the Royal family represent the embodiment of that abuse but in some ways because they are born into it and to some extent individually they are not in control...........they could abdicate of course.

The politicians cannot use that argument yet for many they are in their positions because of their parents or other patrons.........I expect such conduct from the Tories, that is how they roll............but socialists creating their own political dynasties?

They argue its democracy but really the political classes are now the new aristocracy.

 

[Dandyman]

not his greatest moment, and i dont approve of course, but you wouldnt know about it if it wasnt for the god awful british press. the press would be pushing morally dubious presidential candidates on you left right and centre, then working like billyo to tuck them up similarly, once in power.

So why not have a non-executive President like the Irish ? The Prince of Wales already has a veto over anything affecting his business interests and we have no constitutional power to kick him out.

 

[CT1]

Anti monarchy

 

[The Spanish]

Anti monarchy

cool

 

[Buzzer]

Pro-monarchy. It works, doesn't need fixing.

 

[Brovion]

So why not have a non-executive President like the Irish ? The Prince of Wales already has a veto over anything affecting his business interests and we have no constitutional power to kick him out.

Exactly. People always go on about 'President Thatcher' or 'President Blair' as if the American model were the only one. Those two would still have been prime ministers under President Windsor.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

I think i remember the discussion were you the one who like that 'bongo bongo land' party UKIP?

You can be anti EU without being pro UKIP you know ?