[Football] Football rumour - Erik ten Hag will be sacked at end of season

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Please please please appoint Southgate.
That would be absolutely hilarious.

There's an aspect of me that thinks he could be absolutely perfect for what they need. They have to go one of two ways, the strict authoritative manager who will take no sh** or the manager who is seen as an extension of the playing squad.

Personally, I think the latter may be better for them. Man United (however annoyingly) used to have a real sense of pride in the badge etc around them. For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

United have gone Moyes, Van Gaal (nutter), Mourinho (nutter) and Ten Haag (Sancho out etc). None of that appears to have worked. Maybe it's time for someone who is seen as being on the players side.

Maybe that's what United need. Sure, it may be cheesy, but a guy coming in on day 1, hitting home the values of the club and what it means to play for them but also appearing approachable etc.

Or it could be sh**. Who knows.

 

[Mellotron]

Exactly this.

That fanbase need to realise they are not the Manchester United we all grew up despising. The Treble, the Class of '92, Fergie time - that's all ancient history, relatively speaking.

What they are now is a sometimes better than average top half Premier League team with a disjointed squad, a stadium with its own water feature and a history of onboarding ineffective managers.

Until they get out of their own shadow they will be in this state of constant "But...but...we're UNITED!!"

And long may it continue. I sometimes wonder how the United fans I had to listen to at school feel now.

That's the thing that constantly holds them back IMO - well, one thing out of many...

This horrendous "This is Manchester United we're talking about here, let's not forget" from the pundits. Can't help but hear it in Gary Neville or Rio Ferdinand's voices.

Utter bilge.

 

[Justice]

My money is on Potter

Most these players will be sold / don't have a future.

It's if you trust him with a rebuild rather than can he manage the egos

 

[nickbrighton]

IIRC someone asking Fergusson when he announced he was retiring, "why now?"- his reply was along the lines of- " this squad needs a total rebuild from the ground up- that takes a minimum of 3 years to be back in the position to winning trophies- I dont feel I have a minimum of three years in me to do that"

He then duly annointed Moyes as the man who would gut the squad (which had massivley over achieved that season) and start the rebuild. six months later Moyes was gone, the rebuild never happened and the hire, fire repeat started

Untill they realise that the squad is in the same condition as the stadium roof (once great-now old, neglected and leaking, requiring a replacement, not a bit of duct tape over the holes) and do some massive rebuuilding nothing will change

The mentality mentioned above (but this is Man Utd were talking about" is all persuasive and ultimatley is what is slowly killing the club. The fans, players, pundits, and more importantly the Owners have to realise that they cantjust rely on being Man Utd to win anything, they have to do it the hard way, and accept that they are in for a few barren years in order to be in a position to regain their position.

It doesnt matter who is the next manager, if they dont allow him the time then other than a few cup runs, a few winning streaks, it will all end in tears

 

[Flounce]

There's an aspect of me that thinks he could be absolutely perfect for what they need. They have to go one of two ways, the strict authoritative manager who will take no sh** or the manager who is seen as an extension of the playing squad.

Personally, I think the latter may be better for them. Man United (however annoyingly) used to have a real sense of pride in the badge etc around them. For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

United have gone Moyes, Van Gaal (nutter), Mourinho (nutter) and Ten Haag (Sancho out etc). None of that appears to have worked. Maybe it's time for someone who is seen as being on the players side.

Maybe that's what United need. Sure, it may be cheesy, but a guy coming in on day 1, hitting home the values of the club and what it means to play for them but also appearing approachable etc.

Or it could be sh**. Who knows.

So tactical nous and not being out thought by every decent coach is not that important? Good as I don’t think he is anywhere near the quality of coach United need if they are to get back to being title challengers. Southgate has been found out every time he comes up against a decent team and coach….and the PL is full of them. Make it happen!

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

There's an aspect of me that thinks he could be absolutely perfect for what they need. They have to go one of two ways, the strict authoritative manager who will take no sh** or the manager who is seen as an extension of the playing squad.

Personally, I think the latter may be better for them. Man United (however annoyingly) used to have a real sense of pride in the badge etc around them. For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

United have gone Moyes, Van Gaal (nutter), Mourinho (nutter) and Ten Haag (Sancho out etc). None of that appears to have worked. Maybe it's time for someone who is seen as being on the players side.

Maybe that's what United need. Sure, it may be cheesy, but a guy coming in on day 1, hitting home the values of the club and what it means to play for them but also appearing approachable etc.

Or it could be sh**. Who knows.

They had that with Solskjaer, knows values, nice, approachable etc. - he didn't do that badly really, but his coaching skills aren't top level. Southgate - similar I suppose?

 

[Bry Nylon]

There's an aspect of me that thinks he could be absolutely perfect for what they need. They have to go one of two ways, the strict authoritative manager who will take no sh** or the manager who is seen as an extension of the playing squad.

Personally, I think the latter may be better for them. Man United (however annoyingly) used to have a real sense of pride in the badge etc around them. For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

United have gone Moyes, Van Gaal (nutter), Mourinho (nutter) and Ten Haag (Sancho out etc). None of that appears to have worked. Maybe it's time for someone who is seen as being on the players side.

Maybe that's what United need. Sure, it may be cheesy, but a guy coming in on day 1, hitting home the values of the club and what it means to play for them but also appearing approachable etc.

Or it could be sh**. Who knows.

I suppose they tried that to an extent with Ole Gunnar Solskjær? But it feels like he didn't manage to carry any weight or authority and consequently the players just took the piss out of him? I don't really mind what they do, but to me it instinctively feels like they need someone who will inject a bit of steel and discipline, rather than an arm round the shoulder. Either way, it's fun to watch.

 

[Insel affe]

IIRC someone asking Fergusson when he announced he was retiring, "why now?"- his reply was along the lines of- " this squad needs a total rebuild from the ground up- that takes a minimum of 3 years to be back in the position to winning trophies- I dont feel I have a minimum of three years in me to do that"

He then duly annointed Moyes as the man who would gut the squad (which had massivley over achieved that season) and start the rebuild. six months later Moyes was gone, the rebuild never happened and the hire, fire repeat started

Untill they realise that the squad is in the same condition as the stadium roof (once great-now old, neglected and leaking, requiring a replacement, not a bit of duct tape over the holes) and do some massive rebuuilding nothing will change

The mentality mentioned above (but this is Man Utd were talking about" is all persuasive and ultimatley is what is slowly killing the club. The fans, players, pundits, and more importantly the Owners have to realise that they cantjust rely on being Man Utd to win anything, they have to do it the hard way, and accept that they are in for a few barren years in order to be in a position to regain their position.

It doesnt matter who is the next manager, if they dont allow him the time then other than a few cup runs, a few winning streaks, it will all end in tears

So basically their own arrogance and self importance from the fans, players and owners is ultimately all playing a part in it's downfall.
Oh how sad.....
NOT

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Best not sing 'Sacked In The Morning' on Sunday in case RDZ gets the wrong idea

 

[Beanstalk]

My money is on Potter

Most these players will be sold / don't have a future.

It's if you trust him with a rebuild rather than can he manage the egos

He's always been INEOS's favourite choice. They desperately wanted him at OGC Nice, and they supposedly want him again. INEOS aside, he has also been admired at United for a long long time.

I also heard whilst he was at the Albion that he'd been earmarked to replace Southgate when that job becomes available. I've heard he's still the FA's choice for that and it may become available soon. It would at least explain why he's so picky around his next move.

 

[Sussexscots]

If Ratcliffe wants Potter, why not get shot of ten Hag now and get him through the door? They might even get a dead fish bounce for the cup final. But not against us, obviously.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

He's always been INEOS's favourite choice. They desperately wanted him at OGC Nice, and they supposedly want him again. INEOS aside, he has also been admired at United for a long long time.

I also heard whilst he was at the Albion that he'd been earmarked to replace Southgate when that job becomes available. I've heard he's still the FA's choice for that and it may become available soon. It would at least explain why he's so picky around his next move.

United have also brought (are bringing) Dan Ashworth in. Ashworth of course, recruited Potter to the Albion.

There's been lots of rumours about Potter for the England job - I can't see it working tbh. Potter needs lots of time with the players to get his methods / tactics across. You don't get that with a national side. His methods also take some time (even with lots of training ground work - that he won't get) to bear fruit. Replicate his first two seasons' form at the Albion, and you are talking about England failing to qualify for tournaments - never mind tanking in them.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

So tactical nous and not being out thought by every decent coach is not that important?

Just checking back my post........


Nope. I didn't say that.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I suppose they tried that to an extent with Ole Gunnar Solskjær? But it feels like he didn't manage to carry any weight or authority and consequently the players just took the piss out of him? I don't really mind what they do, but to me it instinctively feels like they need someone who will inject a bit of steel and discipline, rather than an arm round the shoulder. Either way, it's fun to watch.

They had that with Solskjaer, knows values, nice, approachable etc. - he didn't do that badly really, but his coaching skills aren't top level. Southgate - similar I suppose?

Indeed. Interesting snippets from the OGS period from the BBC:

He departed with the second-best win record of United's post-Ferguson manager.

In his two full seasons in charge, Solskjaer guided United to two top-three Premier League finishes. They were third in 2019-20, before they finished runners-up to Manchester City last season. But he missed out on a trophy as his side lost on penalties to Villarreal in the Europa League final in May.

 

[Beanstalk]

United have also brought (are bringing) Dan Ashworth in. Ashworth of course, recruited Potter to the Albion.

There's been lots of rumours about Potter for the England job - I can't see it working tbh. Potter needs lots of time with the players to get his methods / tactics across. You don't get that with a national side. His methods also take some time (even with lots of training ground work - that he won't get) to bear fruit. Replicate his first tow season's form at the Albion, and you are talking about England failing to qualify for tournaments - never mind tanking in them.

I would agree re: England. I don't know if it would work, but for many reasons, I'd find him very uninspiring and I'd be genuinely surprised if he could do a better job of extracting more out of the side than Southgate - it may look slightly nicer in qualifiers though. At the same time, I've heard he's the long term choice of the FA, and whilst he wouldn't be my choice, it really wouldn't shock me if that came to pass.

I think there is only one choice for me, and that's Steve Cooper. He's clearly able to inspire teams to give more than they've got, and is an ingrained part of that England DNA that Ashworth put in place. Might be an ugly bugger but probably the right choice to continue England's deep progression in tournaments under Southgate.

 

[thedonkeycentrehalf]

For any sort of criticism levelled at Southgate, even the most-anti GS person going must surely acknowledge he has completely changed the feeling around England. The players look genuinely happy to be there, proud to play for their country and it doesn't appear to be a slog anymore.

...unless your name is Ben White

 

[Justice]

I would agree re: England. I don't know if it would work, but for many reasons, I'd find him very uninspiring and I'd be genuinely surprised if he could do a better job of extracting more out of the side than Southgate - it may look slightly nicer in qualifiers though. At the same time, I've heard he's the long term choice of the FA, and whilst he wouldn't be my choice, it really wouldn't shock me if that came to pass.

I think there is only one choice for me, and that's Steve Cooper. He's clearly able to inspire teams to give more than they've got, and is an ingrained part of that England DNA that Ashworth put in place. Might be an ugly bugger but probably the right choice to continue England's deep progression in tournaments under Southgate.

Cooper is Welsh can’t see that going well.

 

[Beanstalk]

Cooper is Welsh can’t see that going well.

Here he is winning the 2017 U-17 World Cup as... England manager.

 

[Flounce]

Just checking back my post........


Nope. I didn't say that.

No you didn’t, but you should have. You are suggesting he might be a good fit for United, without the nous and tactical flexibility he will be a failure whatever else he might bring imo

 

[Justice]

Cooper is Welsh can’t see that going well.

I didn’t know that I’m not an England fan though.