[Travel] FlyBe in trouble? (BBC report)

[Herr Tubthumper]

Out of interest, who are all these people flying from Newquay to Heathrow all the time?

There’s gonna be some pissed off second-homers when this service stops.

 

[Gwylan]

Out of interest, who are all these people flying from Newquay to Heathrow all the time?

I've done it a few times. We had a finishing house in Newquay and I used to go there to pass page proofs

For some reason, there are a lot of production companies/printers in Cornwell - I once worked on a magazine that was printed in St Ives

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

I smell a right wing blogger as the source of this.

So you've downgraded Caroline from First to Business, are we still talking New York or was it someplace else? How often is regular, every week, every month?

Behave! It is a well known fact that La Lucas is a major shareholder in a plastics factory, has her own helicopter and likes nothing better than flying over to Aussie (first class) and starting fires.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

There’s gonna be some pissed off second-homers when this service stops.

Every cloud...………...

 

[Superseagull]

Out of interest, who are all these people flying from Newquay to Heathrow all the time?

Very wealthy people who have 2nd homes in Cornwall and well paid jobs in London? Not sure we need to subsidise their regular commute to work?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

I've often thought that perhaps we could have a system of individual carbon credits. Every year on the 1st of Jan every adult gets say 100,000 credits. Every time* you buy something not only do you pay the financial price, you have to pay its carbon price as well with your Credits. There would be a Carbon Exchange (like the ticket exchange). If you don't think you'll use up all your credits (because you're struggling on benefits in a one-bed flat) you can put the surplus on the Exchange. If you're a frequent long-haul flyer who also centrally-heats a big house and drives a thirsty car you'll probably run out by May, so you can buy the extra Credits you need via the Exchange. Has the added benefit of re-distributing wealth straight from rich to poor without the cost friction drag of going via the government.

*There might have to be a certain cut-off. We could start with flights and fuel and work from there.


Probably been thought of (and dismissed) before, but I still like the concept.

Something similar was nearly introduced for local authorities and businesses about 10 years ago. however the government changed it after the financial crash and the Carbon Reduction Commitment effectively became merely an extra tax paid on gas and electricity consumption. Also the trading concept was hideously complicated and would have ended up like betting on the stock exchange with potential for reasonable profits but also huge losses.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/crc-energy-efficiency-scheme

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Guess what - people need to do stuff. I have to travel to Edinburgh quite a lot - I can fly it in 3.5 hours from leaving my house to landing in Edinburgh, or get the train for over 7 hours and twice as expensive.

Not quite the same but on the JV show today a topic was Flybe-v-Green and Newquay to Newcastle 55 mins flight time where a car/train 7/8 hours take away the car option so its train i would imagine plenty of diesel mileage and unless any electric train uses either solar or wind power generated electric the power required to drive the train will be fossil fuel generated,so which is the worse carbon footprint ?

 

[nicko31]

Not quite the same but on the JV show today a topic was Flybe-v-Green and Newquay to Newcastle 55 mins flight time where a car/train 7/8 hours take away the car option so its train i would imagine plenty of diesel mileage and unless any electric train uses either solar or wind power generated electric the power required to drive the train will be fossil fuel generated,so which is the worse carbon footprint ?

Air travel emissions for one standard class seat are actually similar to there being is one person in a car, but if there were 2 people they'd be double the car and so on.

Its long haul travel when things get ugly. So if a family of 4 flew return from London to Sydney it would be 21,000 x 4, so equivalent to driving a car 84,000 miles, about 7 years driving. If all went first class you'd need to drive until about the year 2050...

 

[worthingseagull123]

Looks like they’ll be helped by the government.

Good news all round.

 

[Springal]

Air travel emissions for one standard class seat are actually similar to there being is one person in a car, but if there were 2 people they'd be double the car and so on.

Its long haul travel when things get ugly. So if a family of 4 flew return from London to Sydney it would be 21,000 x 4, so equivalent to driving a car 84,000 miles, about 7 years driving. If all went first class you'd need to drive until about the year 2050...

You’d change your tune if you’ve ever flown Qatar Airways business class to Australia on an A380 with an on board bar ;-)

 

[beorhthelm]

You’d change your tune if you’ve ever flown Qatar Airways business class to Australia on an A380 with an on board bar ;-)

bet it beats driving there.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Looks like they’ll be helped by the government..

Come on then, which cabinet member(s) have shares?

 

[Beach Hut]

Looks like they’ll be helped by the government.

Good news all round.

Absolutely, I am sure Monarch and Thomas Cook will look into this and ask why were we not helped out ?

Expect a court case coming up

 

[worthingseagull123]

Absolutely, I am sure Monarch and Thomas Cook will look into this and ask why were we not helped out ?

Expect a court case coming up

Probably owing to legislation in relation to scheduled services from remote areas.

The funny thing is, every green party official out there has been calling for this firm to collapse without realising that even if they had, someone would come along quite quickly to take their place.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Very wealthy people who have 2nd homes in Cornwall and well paid jobs in London? Not sure we need to subsidise their regular commute to work?

Or indeed those ordinary people who live in Cornwall and can basically travel to London for half the price of going by train

 

[CHAPPERS]

Come on then, which cabinet member(s) have shares?

Or Tory donors.

 

[Balders]

Absolutely, I am sure Monarch and Thomas Cook will look into this and ask why were we not helped out ?

Expect a court case coming up

Both different cases to Flybe - Monarch and particularly Cooks were so deep in the mire financially, it would have been the Government throwing good money after bad.

Flybe are a predominantly domestic regional carrier who are key to one part of the Conservative's Manifesto to develop and improve domestic regional connectivity.

Flybe's owners do have a fair point about Air Passenger Duty on Domestic flights and from what I understand it's a Government agreement to defer APD payments, which no doubt will be overhauled in the March budget for domestic flights, so not a true bail out. Flybe's owners are injecting more capital btw.

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[el punal]

Bearing in mind 9 out of 10 flights from Southampton are Flybe it doesn’t bode well for them either.

It’s a bugger isn’t it? On a couple of occasions I’ve flown “oop north” and back for Albion away games. An hour to Manchester for £31 - what’s not to like.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

It’s a bugger isn’t it? On a couple of occasions I’ve flown “oop north” and back for Albion away games. An hour to Manchester for £31 - what’s not to like.

How about this for starters?

Ocean temperatures hit record high as rate of heating accelerates

 

[Hampster Gull]

Capitalism working at its best, the socialistS would have nationalised all planes