[Albion] Flasks banned from the Amex

[Pickles]

By all means have a go at the club for banning flasks, although I think it’s a fuss about nothing.

However there’s no evidence that the motive is financial. If PB’s aim was to maximise income and cut costs that things like AITC would have been binned off ages ago as it’s a significant cost for the club. A few extra cuppas sold isn’t the driver of the decision as it’s so inconsequential.

There may be no evidence that it's financial, that's why it's beautifully easy to say otherwise, but it's one of the final turning of 'Bottom line paul's' screw.

Like yourself, we're all battle hardened with our Albion, but I think even you are missing the bigger picture.( and i don't mean dwarves with things x )

 

[clapham_gull]

What is the old saying 'watch the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves'.

IMHO this was a move that he hoped would go through with very little fuss as opposed to acting against AITC or cutting back in that area as suggested by El Pres which would raise a volume of storm and complaint.

If it was financial the club would put 10p on a pint and raise far more money than banning flasks.

This will be advice given to the club and wouldn't have originated from within.

Laptops will be next.

Without turning this into a conspiracy theory I'm of the firm belief that the club has been advised over the last few years to increase security and this started before the Premier League and after the Rugby World Cup.

I'd also suggest the club are trying to perform a balancing act against attempting to make it one of the most "open" arenas in the country.

Is there another ground where away and home fans can mingle around drinking INSIDE the ground after the game?

At the end of the day security is expensive. The club would save money if it dropped security and bag searches all together.

The club aren't being totally transparent about the reasons but then again why unnecessarily worry people.

The ban on sweets on 1901 however is the usual type of Ryanair corporate pettiness.

There is no need to come into line with other arenas since (for instance) not all airlines behave like Ryanair.

If you bring a packed lunch that's different, but a ban on sweets? Even the airlines don't do that....

 

[clippedgull]

I genuinely don't think this is the case here. It's more in line with a lot of other event arenas of a similar size/profile, security intelligence and advice is now far more sophisticated and regular and as CEO he's got personal responsibility for the safety of over 30,000 people once every couple of weeks. You're right the club is different - but along with that the risk profile of the Amex (let alone pre-Amex days) is now hugely higher than it was when we were in the championship so I can understand the club wanting to mitigate risks as far as reasonably possible. A single incident would be a disaster. Stopping people taking in shell-sized metal containers that could contain anything doesn't seem unreasonable to me when drinks are available inside and it's only for a couple of hours anyway. Understand it's annoying if it's something you've always done, but times and circumstances change.

I'm can't disagree with your post but what if a ban was imposed on taking any object into the Amex? (unless pre-cleared on medical grounds) Say for an immediate example.. mobile phones?

 

[nwgull]

There may be no evidence that it's financial, that's why it's beautifully easy to say otherwise, but it's one of the final turning of 'Bottom line paul's' screw.

Like yourself, we're all battle hardened with our Albion, but I think even you are missing the bigger picture.( and i don't mean dwarves with things x )

If it was financial and they thought they could make a few extra quid, then it would have been implemented when the club were making losses right up to the FFP limits in the 4 years before we got promoted, not now that we’re making a modest profit.

And if they wanted to improve that profit, then they’d bin another loss maker, such as funding a full time women’s team. It’d save far more money that any extra income on hot drinks (if indeed any extra drinks sales are possible with the kiosks seemingly already at full capacity). And I expect fewer people would care.

 

[clapham_gull]

I'm can't disagree with your post but what if a ban was imposed on taking any object into the Amex? (unless pre-cleared on medical grounds) Say for an immediate example.. mobile phones?

A mobile phone ban would be impossible to enforce, a flask ban just about possible. You eliminate risk where you can.

 

[BensGrandad]

Again, in the current situation binning the ladies team would cause more complaints than most things, not in my eyes I must add as I would scrap all that football.

 

[clapham_gull]

Again, in the current situation binning the ladies team would cause more complaints than most things, not in my eyes I must add as I would scrap all that football.

If you still think this is financial and the board sat down and had a vote on whether it was flasks or womens football you truly exist on a different planet.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Again, in the current situation binning the ladies team would cause more complaints than most things, not in my eyes I must add as I would scrap all that football.

Sometimes I swear your brain is still in another room when you reach the keyboard.

 

[BensGrandad]

A mobile phone ban would be impossible to enforce, a flask ban just about possible. You eliminate risk where you can.

I would think a mobile phone offers a greater security risk than virtually anything else Just an example 1 person has the phone, 1 the detonator etc, 1 the required chemicals for a bomb and they all meet in the toilets then ask to be let out for a smoke, which the stewards would do then vanish.

 

[clapham_gull]

I would think a mobile phone offers a greater security risk than virtually anything else Just an example 1 person has the phone, 1 the detonator etc, 1 the required chemicals for a bomb and they all meet in the toilets then ask to be let out for a smoke, which the stewards would do then vanish.

You are pure comedy at times. On this thread...

Admitted to taking alcohol into the ground then moaned about new rules.

Suggested the flask ban is financial and the club should be looking at removing the women's team to save money.

Now inferring mobiles are actually the danger by summarising the detail of a potential terrorist plot involving an unwitting steward who allowed the terrorist outside for a smoke.




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[Green Cross Code Man]

You are pure comedy at times. On this thread...

Admitted to taking alcohol into the ground then moaned about new rules.

Suggested the flask ban is financial and the club should be looking at removing the women's team to save money.

Now inferring mobiles are actually the danger by summarising the detail of a potential terrorist plot involving an unwitting steward who allowed the terrorist outside for a smoke.




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[MENTION=451]BensGrandad[/MENTION]'s Stream Of Consciousness.

Frightening isn't it!

 

[Questions]

By all means have a go at the club for banning flasks, although I think it’s a fuss about nothing.

However there’s no evidence that the motive is financial. If PB’s aim was to maximise income and cut costs that things like AITC would have been binned off ages ago as it’s a significant cost for the club. A few extra cuppas sold isn’t the driver of the decision as it’s so inconsequential.

I’m with Pickles with this, it’s obvious. He puts it perfectly. As for AITC, well that’s because EVERY Premier League and Football League team do this and they would get slaughtered by the press if they didn’t. Would’nt
be good for Brand Brighton that. They’ll be more tweaks here and there and when they squeeze the catering franchise sooner or later then watch Harveys disappear. No bad thing that though.

 

[dazzer6666]

I'm can't disagree with your post but what if a ban was imposed on taking any object into the Amex? (unless pre-cleared on medical grounds) Say for an immediate example.. mobile phones?

Phones won't be banned, but it won't be long before there are airport-style scanners I reckon. Have already experienced this at some sports events

Did Barber ever give the "security" reason behind banning them? He has to give a reason surely?
We should have a game where we boycott buying anything in protest. I bet the security "issue" would soon disappear then!

Pretty sure he absolutely shouldn't and wouldn't give the reason - particularly if it was due to intelligence received (for a literal example, security briefing from the police advising that terrorists have developed a 'thermos bomb')

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

I would think a mobile phone offers a greater security risk than virtually anything else Just an example 1 person has the phone, 1 the detonator etc, 1 the required chemicals for a bomb and they all meet in the toilets then ask to be let out for a smoke, which the stewards would do then vanish.

So they are going to blow the toilets up

 

[BensGrandad]

Sometimes I swear your brain is still in another room when you reach the keyboard.

My point is that if the club decided to scrap the ladies team there would be untold complaints. But not from me.

 

[clapham_gull]

My point is that if the club decided to scrap the ladies team there would be untold complaints. But not from me.

What's the relevance to flasks?



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[Green Cross Code Man]

My point is that if the club decided to scrap the ladies team there would be untold complaints. But not from me.

Maybe you should start another thread for that little campaign of yours instead of derailing this one like you have done to so many others.

Perhaps you could have a little think before you post, something like this....

'Will what I write actually relate to the topic in question and furthermore, will my offering be beneficial and aid further discussion?'

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

My point is that if the club decided to scrap the ladies team there would be untold complaints. But not from me.

When do you get your season ticket for your real team - will it be when they have finished building it

 

[AK74]

What's the relevance to flasks?



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Caroline Flask?

 

[dazzer6666]

I'm can't disagree with your post but what if a ban was imposed on taking any object into the Amex? (unless pre-cleared on medical grounds) Say for an immediate example.. mobile phones?

I strongly disagree. We should be told, otherwise it sets a dangerous precedent for clubs (and other places) banning anything they want on "security" grounds. There should be a strong comprehensive arguement as to why the item is banned. Not saying Barber would ban stuff for the wrong reasons but others might and it sends the wrong message.

I don't think so - they can do what they want - their property, their rules. Lots of places already ban lots of things......not all make sense. They don't have to justify each and every action/decision.