Do go away you silly, chip on my shoulder, introverted leftie 'I am more educated than you' little man. Oh, sorry, I mistook you for Jeremy Corbyn.
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Do go away you silly, chip on my shoulder, introverted leftie 'I am more educated than you' little man. Oh, sorry, I mistook you for Jeremy Corbyn.
So I take it you have no answer to any of my questions. Didn't think so. Not claiming to be more educated, I'm only asking you questions based on your posts. Seems a reasonable way to behave on a discussion thread.
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What on earth is an "introverted leftie"?
If an adult 'self inflicts' financial hardship on themselves or their children, then it shouldn't necessarily be categorised as poverty in the context currently discussed.
I know many examples where there is a claim of poverty/hardship when they have just been feckless, dysfunctional or neglectful.
The starting point should be here:https://www.entitledto.co.uk
Choose a profile, how about your family of five perhaps that you have chosen to put in a hostel with one can of soup ? or single mum/dad, two parents, two children etc. and see if it looks reasonable or not, currently all we get are the left bleating that those on benefits are vulnerable and in need of greater financial help whilst those on the right deem them lazy and feckless, but rarely do we post up actual entitlements and discuss from a informed position.
Mmmmmmmm...........Oh, sorry Erns, does that make me a pervert?
As a working class socialist I’ve never been to a rugby match.
As a working class centrist I’ve never been to a rugby match [emoji23]
Sorry, this doesn't answer the question. what do you mean by dysfunctional, negelctful or feckless? I cannot see how a child living in poverty could be accused of such things?
As a working class socialist I’ve never been to a rugby match.
This is bit off the topic of this thread but we were having this discussion at our rugby club last night. We have a girls team that's dominated by private school educated girls: we have no girls at all from BACA, Longhill or Varndean.
I do wonder whether rugby's image is putting some of them off -and this thread seems to suggest that there's still an undercurrent that rugby is for the posh people. It certainly isn't in Wales, where my family's from, and it certainly isn't in the west country but the image of rugby is of the Harlequins/waxed jacket brigade. It's a rather worrying one for left-leaning people like me who love the game and who wants to make it thrive.
Dont be daft, it quite obviously changes the political aspect of your post and might shift responsibility away from the state and on to someone else, why not do the entitlement calculator and we can perhaps see who we might want to blame, just give it a go ?
https://www.entitledto.co.uk/ why not start with your family of 5 and their can of soup and lets discuss if I am just being flippant or callous or you are talking political bullsh1t ?
Before we move on, can you (will you) answer my question?
I can tell you now, I'm a white, worrking aged, middle class male with no disabilities and in good health with a partner and no dependants. I live in a nice part of Sussex and work for a living. I will not and do not expect to be entitle dto anything. However, there are hundreds of thousands of people who are not a sfortunate a me and they should receive benefits and support while they seek to improve their and thier family's lives. It does not make them dysfunctional, feckless or neglectful.
'The victims Erns, the victims. Don't be seen to be making political gain out of others problems etc etc.'
Oops, my bad, mistook you for being Jezza!
FFS are you deliberately being thick? You raised the issue of quantifying poverty, not me. I used the 50% as an example to challenge your assertion. Well done for quoting the dictionary definition....but how does this tie in with the 5% you stated?
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just to interject, poverty is defined for the statistical purpose by income, and nothing else. it various considerably depending on circumstance too, in the IFS numbers from £239pw for a single parent with one child to £447pw for couple with three, and the threshold for relative poverty higher still (i found i was living in poverty a couple of years ago, which was news to me).
Off the top of my head, isn't the 'Relative Poverty' measure that Jezza quotes so frequently measured as living on less than 60% of median household earnings?
I’m off to the rugby club. Laters.
Of course it doesnt make them those things I never said it did, I said if you care to look at the support and benefits that those that are entitled to it already receive then the discussion should be how a family receiving 'x' amount find themselves unable feed or care for their family.
Somehow these discussions are full of the usual political sound bites and hardly anyone shows the rate of benefits an unemployed family for example may receive, yet its here for us all to see but no one from the left dare ever take a look and then comes back for a meaningful discussion on the amount of benefits received by its claimants and if it is reasonable or not.
You threw out a scenario of a family of five and a can of soup, as if its common place and needs addressing, but why not calculate it and lets see if there is any truth in your claim that these are not getting fair support.
https://www.entitledto.co.uk/
.......er.....what?
Clearly something is wrong because people are living in poverty, people are homeless, families are living in hostels. But like you say, if the only problem is that they are feckless then surely we shouldn't include them in the stats, we could just tell them it's their fault and well, problem solved surely?
I had a look at the benefits calculator thing. If you think I'm going through that 12 page form for a theoretical family, just to satisfy your need for a row, you can think again. You do it and get back to me.
I think you could "benefit" from doing some research into the reasons people end up in poverty. Start with things like mental health, abuse, care, inability to read, no access to benefits they may be entitled to, ill health, death of family members, addiction and yes...government created poverty through austerity and disparity of wealth.
Let’s hope May does the right thing and calls a GE, Corbyn will win a 100 seat majority!!