[Football] First Manager to go

[Machiavelli]

I think if Hasenhutl leaves, Potter would be the first name on the Southampton hit list.

Oh, he'd be on the hit list of several clubs (especially if we do start to climb the table, and look a little more secure in our PL status). My point is slightly more that I can't see him leaving for the likes of Southampton. That's not to claim that B&HA are bigger status, it's just an issue of incumbency, knowing and approving the project and that I also suspect that Potter prizes loyalty somewhat more than your average manager.

 

[Swansman]

I'm with you on this, but still remain unsure of who will go for him. I doubt the 'top six' will, and there are certain clubs that I also doubt he'll find that appealing in comparison to us (Wolves and West Ham, for various reasons, spring to mind). Everton and Leicester are about the only two that I can think of at present.

He wont move so Everton would be out of the question. No idea where in England Leicester is located.

From his experiences in ÖFK, Swansea and Brighton he knows that a good relation to the chairman is important and that rules out most PL clubs.

Most likely he would currently say "no thanks" to any club that wants to sign him. Over his career he has said no to big money and big clubs plenty of times.

 

[FamilyGuy]

West Brom!

Do I get a point?

 

[willalbion]

He wont move so Everton would be out of the question. No idea where in England Leicester is located.

From his experiences in ÖFK, Swansea and Brighton he knows that a good relation to the chairman is important and that rules out most PL clubs.

Most likely he would currently say "no thanks" to any club that wants to sign him. Over his career he has said no to big money and big clubs plenty of times.

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] has Potter ever had a significant run of bad results? I'm wondering if he has history in overseeing, halting and reversing a slump in form?

 

[Nobby]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] has Potter ever had a significant run of bad results? I'm wondering if he has history in overseeing, halting and reversing a slump in form?

I doubt it

His managerial career so far

Take on a village team in Sweden and get given pots of cash (relative to others). Keep adding players and getting promoted until you get to the top league.
Get a couple of good results against European teams
This progress persuades an English Championship side to take you on as their manager
Swansea, who have been relegated and retained some of their Premier League players finish just outside the playoffs
With this progress, a bottom six funded Premier League club is persuaded to give you the head coach job. This club, Brighton, will realistically always struggle in the bottom half of the Premier League
Tasked with bringing on youth players, and with relatively little funding compared to other clubs in the league.
A poisoned chalice in reality, especially with no experience of ever having managed in a similar situation

Real relegation issues will never have been encountered before unfortunately

About right Swanny?

 

[Swansman]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION] has Potter ever had a significant run of bad results? I'm wondering if he has history in overseeing, halting and reversing a slump in form?

Yes, a couple of times like in the early part of Östersunds first season in the second division 2013 and then again in November-December in Swansea 2018.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I doubt it

His managerial career so far

Take on a village team in Sweden and get given pots of cash (relative to others). Keep adding players and getting promoted until you get to the top league.
Get a couple of good results against European teams
This progress persuades an English Championship side to take you on as their manager
Swansea, who have been relegated and retained some of their Premier League players finish just outside the playoffs
With this progress, a bottom six funded Premier League club is persuaded to give you the head coach job. This club, Brighton, will realistically always struggle in the bottom half of the Premier League
Tasked with bringing on youth players, and with relatively little funding compared to other clubs in the league.
A poisoned chalice in reality, especially with no experience of ever having managed in a similar situation

Real relegation issues will never have been encountered before unfortunately

About right Swanny?

I may be wrong but I was under the impression that Swansea sold off their best players and Potter was forced to field a young side, did reasonably well within tight budgetary restrictions and it was this that led to Bloom et al taking a punt on him? Happy to be told otherwise mind you.

 

[Badger Boy]

I may be wrong but I was under the impression that Swansea sold off their best players and Potter was forced to field a young side, did reasonably well within tight budgetary restrictions and it was this that led to Bloom et al taking a punt on him? Happy to be told otherwise mind you.

They did sell a number of their players and loaned out as many of the big earners as they could. But having look at Wikipedia, it doesn't really support the suggestion that he had to throw a load of young inexperienced players into the side.

Mike Van der Hoorn played all 46 league games, he's very experienced and had played the previous season. Norfeldt in goal was the understudy to Fabianki in the PL and started off as first choice before losing his place and playing just short of half the matches. You can draw your own conclusions from the link below (the seasons statistics are about three quaters down the page) but I think the general praise he received was generous at Swansea. Just 57 league goals scored and there was plenty of Premier League experience throughout the squad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_Swansea_City_A.F.C._season

 

[willalbion]

Yes, a couple of times like in the early part of Östersunds first season in the second division 2013 and then again in November-December in Swansea 2018.

Well, that's good news. He has experience of arresting and turning around a slump in form.

 

[vagabond]

Well, that's good news. He has experience of arresting and turning around a slump in form.

Arguably last season too when we had a late rally in form to keep us up.

 

[Swansman]

They did sell a number of their players and loaned out as many of the big earners as they could. But having look at Wikipedia, it doesn't really support the suggestion that he had to throw a load of young inexperienced players into the side.

Mike Van der Hoorn played all 46 league games, he's very experienced and had played the previous season. Norfeldt in goal was the understudy to Fabianki in the PL and started off as first choice before losing his place and playing just short of half the matches. You can draw your own conclusions from the link below (the seasons statistics are about three quaters down the page) but I think the general praise he received was generous at Swansea. Just 57 league goals scored and there was plenty of Premier League experience throughout the squad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_Swansea_City_A.F.C._season

Any team that drops down from the PL to the Championship is going to have some players with PL experience. The only regulars with significant experience was Nordfeldt/Mulder (both shite by the way), Mike VdH and Kyle Naughton.

Martin Olsson made 13 starts before tearing his ACL. His replacement didnt exist as it was the only left back in the squad but GP put right back Naughton there, one of few experienced players. VdH as you mention also got experience. Rodon had 0 games before season started. Roberts to the right had three short sub appearances in the PL and a loan season in Yeovil, other than that basically no experience.

As for the midfield, Leroy Fer was injured for most of the season. Same with Carroll except for the "most of" part. Matt Grimes had just returned from a loan in Northampton. Celina had played one season in the Championship, true. George Byers had literally no experience of senior football. Jay Fulton came back from a failed loan in Wigan. That was the midfield. How is this not a load of inexperienced players?

Up front, Oli McBurnie. Bunch of failed loan spells in League One and Two, and a good spring on loan at Barnsley before Potter arrived. Could hardly be seen as experienced. The other central forward in the squad, Courtney Baker-Richardson, had a total of 0 games above Southern Premier League level.

The wings is where most of the experienced could be found. However, Routledge and Dyer were ineligeble for about half of the season before they agreed to skip out on the match appearance bonus. Narsingh was not allowed to start either for similar reasons, meaning Potter started the season with teenagers Asoro, Dhanda, the always injured Jefferson, failed signing McKay and Dan James who wasnt good enough for Shrewsbury.

The idea that some of you anti-Potters push, that he had some really deep, experienced and proven squad to work with in Swansea is just straight up wrong and you are going to have to look long and hard to find a Swansea follower that disagree with me.

 

[Clive Walker]

Arguably last season too when we had a late rally in form to keep us up.

you mean when he needed lockdown to get the players to regroup and stop a very lengthy slump?

We're in a similar slump now and I cannot see him getting us out of it this time. Unless the football is cancelled again.

 

[Badger Boy]

Any team that drops down from the PL to the Championship is going to have some players with PL experience. The only regulars with significant experience was Nordfeldt/Mulder (both shite by the way), Mike VdH and Kyle Naughton.

Martin Olsson made 13 starts before tearing his ACL. His replacement didnt exist as it was the only left back in the squad but GP put right back Naughton there, one of few experienced players. VdH as you mention also got experience. Rodon had 0 games before season started. Roberts to the right had three short sub appearances in the PL and a loan season in Yeovil, other than that basically no experience.

As for the midfield, Leroy Fer was injured for most of the season. Same with Carroll except for the "most of" part. Matt Grimes had just returned from a loan in Northampton. Celina had played one season in the Championship, true. George Byers had literally no experience of senior football. Jay Fulton came back from a failed loan in Wigan. That was the midfield. How is this not a load of inexperienced players?

Up front, Oli McBurnie. Bunch of failed loan spells in League One and Two, and a good spring on loan at Barnsley before Potter arrived. Could hardly be seen as experienced. The other central forward in the squad, Courtney Baker-Richardson, had a total of 0 games above Southern Premier League level.

The wings is where most of the experienced could be found. However, Routledge and Dyer were ineligeble for about half of the season before they agreed to skip out on the match appearance bonus. Narsingh was not allowed to start either for similar reasons, meaning Potter started the season with teenagers Asoro, Dhanda, the always injured Jefferson, failed signing McKay and Dan James who wasnt good enough for Shrewsbury.

The idea that some of you anti-Potters push, that he had some really deep, experienced and proven squad to work with in Swansea is just straight up wrong and you are going to have to look long and hard to find a Swansea follower that disagree with me.

Personally, I think he did a reasonable job at Swansea. 10th is probably a little bit under par but I don't think he did anything there which justifies being plucked by a Premier League team. Their team was alright to watch with the pace of Dan James on the break adding an element we don't currently have. Perhaps we'll bring in James in January to add pace to our side. We'll see. My biggest gripe with Potter is that the formations he plays are silly, the team selection is too random and the players aren't thriving, except March who still wouldn't get into the majority of other teams in this league.

I'm still not advocating sacking Potter, though. We are very close to being effective and winning the odd game, Connolly's silly attempt at a header and Jahanbakhsh's failure from a few yards were the difference between drawing with and beating Sheffield United. That said, they had a chance for a 2-0 lead. There's only so much you can blame Potter for players not taking chances and Webster failing to effectively defend.

 

[willalbion]

Arguably last season too when we had a late rally in form to keep us up.

Yes I thought that too, although the second slump now is a bit of a worry.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Arsenal one down after two minutes

 

[LamieRobertson]

Arsenal 2/1 right howler but the goalie..please let him play against us lol

 

[LamieRobertson]

City 4/1 up now at Arsenal.....

 

[NooBHA]

He wont move so Everton would be out of the question. No idea where in England Leicester is located.

From his experiences in ÖFK, Swansea and Brighton he knows that a good relation to the chairman is important and that rules out most PL clubs.

Most likely he would currently say "no thanks" to any club that wants to sign him. Over his career he has said no to big money and big clubs plenty of times.

You may know him personally , I don't. So I am assuming that this happened when he was still in Sweden.

I don't think he turned down a shed load of Clubs between Swansea and Brighton, but again, I have no reason to doubt what you say but unless his Agent was schlepping his CV round Europe, whilst he was at Swansea. There wasn't enough time between Swansea and Brighton to turn down loads of offers in that period.

I like how ''Brave'' your guy plays and it can be a breath of fresh air at times - But please don't confuse that with having achieved Statesman like Status within the game. His achievements are minimal and the only thing of real note is what he done in Sweden but again I am not knocking that. I like the Guy and he could achieve a lot in the future but to date his actual CV is ''Average'' but his ''Potential'' is ''Promising''

 

[Doonhamer7]

When does Arsenal’s current run of form stop being a blip and become reality - they are shocking to watch for a team full of good players. Something is not right as long as this blip continues until after we’ve beaten them

 

[NooBHA]

When does Arsenal’s current run of form stop being a blip and become reality - they are shocking to watch for a team full of good players. Something is not right as long as this blip continues until after we’ve beaten them

Have you ever watched a Michael Arteta interview and thought " What a good or nice bloke. I wouldn't mind working alongside or for him " if the answer is " Never " Just imagine how someone who has enough money in their bank accounts who actually don't need to if they choose not to. That should give you an idea as to whether they care whether he turns it around or not.