[Football] FC Barcelona statement on the Super League

[Stat Brother]

From that statement it seems that they don't intend to kill the idea, but are just trying to tweak it before trying again.....

'They' have been trying for the last 50 years, I don't see why the next 50 should be any different.

 

[Wozza]

Meanwhile, at Arsenal...

 

[Wozza]

I keep reading that ungrateful fans have "demanded" a striker.

Did I miss the protests? The boycotts? The tearing-up of season tickets? The awkward questions at fans' forums? The embarrassing moans on national radio phone-ins?

All I've seen is a (relatively) modest number of fans moaning on a messageboard... in a hugely frustrating season where there's no other outlet to vent. That's about it.

Perspective.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I keep reading that ungrateful fans have "demanded" a striker.

Did I miss the protests? The boycotts? The tearing-up of season tickets? The awkward questions at fans' forums? The embarrassing moans on national radio phone-ins?

All I've seen is a (relatively) modest number of fans moaning on a messageboard... in a hugely frustrating season where there's no other outlet to vent. That's about it.

Perspective.

This.

And I say that as someone who has wasted many an hour berating a tiny number of Brighton supporters for grumbling about our relative Ronaldopaenia.

 

[vagabond]

I keep reading that ungrateful fans have "demanded" a striker.

Did I miss the protests? The boycotts? The tearing-up of season tickets? The awkward questions at fans' forums? The embarrassing moans on national radio phone-ins?

All I've seen is a (relatively) modest number of fans moaning on a messageboard... in a hugely frustrating season where there's no other outlet to vent. That's about it.

Perspective.

Correct, perspective is important. Now all of us bleep and swear when we see Lallana miss a sitter from 6 yards, so let’s leave general match reactions out of it.

But there are a minority of fans who do criticise on social media (ie like here) that the club should be shelling out £40m for a striker. Paraphrasing but that’s the gist.

Likewise there are a minority of fans on social media who harangue the manager for us not being mid table. And also on social media when we’re having a bad run you will usually get some “Potter out”s.

A minority.

 

[Triggaaar]

All I've seen is a (relatively) modest number of fans moaning on a messageboard... in a hugely frustrating season where there's no other outlet to vent. That's about it.

But there are a minority of fans who do criticise on social media (ie like here) that the club should be shelling out £40m for a striker. Paraphrasing but that’s the gist.

Likewise there are a minority of fans on social media who harangue the manager for us not being mid table. And also on social media when we’re having a bad run you will usually get some “Potter out”s.

A minority.

Right, so we're all agreed. It's 100% of us, 99% of the time.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

From that statement it seems that they don't intend to kill the idea, but are just trying to tweak it before trying again.....

Yeah, the main bone of contention is that a place in the league wasn't awarded on merit - so I reckon that part will be tweaked so there is a degree of qualification for all clubs (happily building on the principle of letting the big clubs in even if they had a dodgy season previously). That will hurt the 'big' English clubs more than most because there's more of them than will be places in the league for English clubs, but the likes of Real and Barca will never be in real danger of missing out so won't care anyway..

Everything else - the 20 games a season league, big play-offs, independently-negotiated TV rights, disdain for country-leagues, that will stay

 

[Shooting Star]

Big error of judgement on this occasion [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]

This is not the first time Swansman has done this re: losing the Goldstone. If it was a Palace, Leeds or basically a fan of any other team in the English football pyramid making such comments on here, they'd have most likely been banned already.

 

[Albion Dan]

No intentions to apologise. Currently you are all grateful, understanding fans who hold the rough times close to your heart and will never forget where you were and what could have been.. .fast forward five minutes into the game tomorrow with Maupay missing a decent chance and it will all about "Uncle Tony is gambling with our future, I need/deserve a dirt expensive striker", "lucky them we are not allowed to the stadium because we would boo the shit out of the team because that'll help".

Its the same old story over and over again. Survivor & victim when it suits you, demanding & deserving more and more and more when it fits.

Mate f*ck right off. You have no idea what we went through, campaigned for, cried through, and endured. So what if we ask questions about transfers or whatever else we want to now we are an established premier league team with an owner who says he plans to get us in the top 10. Perspective. No one ever wants the club to put itself in jeopardy. Many of us have fought harder than you could ever imagine to even exist, marched on downing st, boycotted games, travelled hundreds of miles to watch home games in front of less than 2k people, written letters, signed petitions, sung, shouted, felt total despondency,

Who the f*ck are you anyway? Some **** who follows teams because of a manager. Weird.

No one wants you here. Seriously just do one. I’ll argue with plenty on here about our manager, our players, whatever but I know that almost all are true Brighton fans at the end of the day and we all want the best for the club.

You’ve just shown up as a Potter fan and have no affinity to our club. You are not welcome.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Barcelona. Probably been said before, apologies for not checking - hubris; detached from reality; entitlement. If you pay over the odds on transfers, and over the odds on salaries, then you reap what you sow. Don’t try to screw every other club to bail out your poor financial management.

 

[Stat Brother]

Mate f*ck right off. You have no idea what we went through, campaigned for, cried through, and endured. So what if we ask questions about transfers or whatever else we want to now we are an established premier league team with an owner who says he plans to get us in the top 10. Perspective. No one ever wants the club to put itself in jeopardy. Many of us have fought harder than you could ever imagine to even exist, marched on downing st, boycotted games, travelled hundreds of miles to watch home games in front of less than 2k people, written letters, signed petitions, sung, shouted, felt total despondency,

Who the f*ck are you anyway? Some **** who follows teams because of a manager. Weird.

No one wants you here. Seriously just do one. I’ll argue with plenty on here about our manager, our players, whatever but I know that almost all are true Brighton fans at the end of the day and we all want the best for the club.

You’ve just shown up as a Potter fan and have no affinity to our club. You are not welcome.

As [MENTION=19308]Shooting Star[/MENTION] says he has every idea what us supporters went through because every 6 months or so, he chucks out that comment, I assume to feed off the replies,


I'll Eden a guess there's a direct correlation between:-

The poster in question desperately pushing NSC's big red button
&
Sweden running short of weed and pizza boxes.


I'll give him an annual reply then instantly regret it, I have absolutely no idea why anyone has any time for him.

 

[B-right-on]

Cheapest season ticket at Barcelona is at £100

I've been to the Camp Nou a few times and as a 'visitor' (not a member) individual ticket prices per game are £75 and up for the A ranked games. Have a mate who lived in Barca for years and he was a season ticket holder. I can't remember how much it cost him 10 years ago but it was a hell of a lot more than that.

Double the cost of Amex individual game tickets as you'll know from your frequent trips to watch us play.

 

[basque seagull]

Much as I'd love to - can't agree.

Your last paragraph sums it up. RM and Barca are political animals - they will find some piece of financial engineering to keep them afloat because its in the national interest to do so. RM were on the point of bankruptcy before they sold their training ground for a ridiculously inflated price to a Government backed institution. Barca are the face of Catalonian society - money would be found.

I can't believe Spanish politics hasn't got its fingers in this - why else would these two clubs come out with such brazen statements?

Yep. Imo RM and Barca are almost more about politics than sport or business. They will be bailed out by Spanish and Catalonian public money somehow. But the brands will surely suffer the aftermath.

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[Hamilton]

The first paragraph demonstrates zero understanding of what it was like to be an Albion fan. Very poor judgment.

The other paragraphs have some merit.


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[Swansman]

But I too think they're BS apologies, so I don't know why you continue to push the suggestion that I think it's all fine now they've 'apologised'.

If you had started with 'others frequently do' I wouldn't have complained, because I hate it when people demand we spend money on better players (I often wonder if they're actually Brighton fans, trolling, or just drunk) but you said:

So ALL of us. Every single one of us forget. And how often do we forget? 99% of the time.

Well at least we remember 1% of the time right? No, that 1% is only there as a bat.

Oh I see. Thanks for letting us all know what we think.

Well that was obviously a massive exaggeration from my point so my bad on that one.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Like the English clubs, maybe I need a PR team to make some sincereless apologies so that I can keep ****ing you over and robbing you.

And no you probably didnt (and I wont spend any time looking through your old posts, you are not that exciting or annoying) but others frequently do. Just look at this post, https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?386113-Tony-Bloom-Just-Sign-a-Proper-Striker-End-of, "I will always be grateful for what Bloom does for us but enough is enough".Lots of muppets agreeing but I have no doubt that in another situation they would use the "been through the rough times" thing as a bat. It happens here a lot. On one hand they think they deserve the world, on the other they pretend to support TB (but in reality they are supporting a dead romantic picture of themselves).

Whilst there is some merit in the premise that if fans criticise Tony, they have disregarded the war years, it’s incredibly incendiary to suggest that 100% of fans on here have ‘forgotten’ what happened to the club under Archer, Bellotti & Stanley 99% of the time. I was only chatting to a friend last night about the comparisons of our 90’s situation with the type of owners the majority of the Pig-Six are lumbered with. We have to be allowed to critique the players, manager, deputy Chairman and even the owner, it does not mean we have forgotten.

Football is all about emotions, a season full of countless missed chances (meaning we are at least 15 points off where we should be in the table) has really really frustrated people. Supporting Brighton this season has been very much like making love to a beautiful woman (with no penetration or climax); you prepare for the experience with extreme excitement as you know your lady has amazing ability, the foreplay is fantastic - the best you’ve ever had, then just when you need to get it into the box and shoot, Mr Winkie is a soft as a marshmallow, the beautiful woman leaves disappointed that you weren’t able to hit the target and your left depressed up until the next time a stunning lady derobes in your den again only for Mr Winkie to repeat his trick of being a limp as a sodden biscuit. This has been the most frustrating season I can remember under Potter, not all his fault but I will never forget the juxtaposition of stunning football and horrendous finishing & luck. People are justified to moan about this.

As for Barca & Real, they have got to get used to life without galaxticos. Until they and their fans accept that, their future sustainability will be at risk.

 

[Swansman]

Whilst there is some merit in the premise that if fans criticise Tony, they have disregarded the war years, it’s incredibly incendiary to suggest that 100% of fans on here have ‘forgotten’ what happened to the club under Archer, Bellotti & Stanley 99% of the time. I was only chatting to a friend last night about the comparisons of our 90’s situation with the type of owners the majority of the Pig-Six are lumbered with. We have to be allowed to critique the players, manager, deputy Chairman and even the owner, it does not mean we have forgotten.

Football is all about emotions, a season full of countless missed chances (meaning we are at least 15 points off where we should be in the table) has really really frustrated people. Supporting Brighton this season has been very much like making love to a beautiful woman (with no penetration or climax); you prepare for the experience with extreme excitement as you know your lady has amazing ability, the foreplay is fantastic - the best you’ve ever had, then just when you need to get it into the box and shoot, Mr Winkie is a soft as a marshmallow, the beautiful woman leaves disappointed that you weren’t able to hit the target and your left depressed up until the next time a stunning lady derobes in your den again only for Mr Winkie to repeat his trick of being a limp as a sodden biscuit. This has been the most frustrating season I can remember under Potter, not all his fault but I will never forget the juxtaposition of stunning football and horrendous finishing & luck. People are justified to moan about this.

As for Barca & Real, they have got to get used to life without galaxticos. Until they and their fans accept that, their future sustainability will be at risk.

Well that was obviously a massive exaggeration from my point so my bad on that one.

 

[Triggaaar]

Well that was obviously a massive exaggeration from my point so my bad on that one.

Ok, fair enough, a bit of exaggeration is ok. But you do think it's a lot worse than it is in reality. As has been covered already, a few stressed (and possibly inebriated) fans complaining that the players/manager aren't good enough, and that we need spend more if we want top 10, are not representative of our real support. When you actually go to games, you don't get the moaning that you see on here.

Barcelona are one of the most successful clubs in the history of football, because they spend so much money. If they're broke, then their owners/fans need to accept they won't be winning anything any time soon, as they sell players and recruit cheap. Meanwhile, the whole concept of the ESL is disgusting to any real football fan, so combining the two and saying that Barcelona need it in order to survive, doesn't sit well with me, and many other Brighton fans it seems.

 

[Triggaaar]

Supporting Brighton this season has been very much like making love to a beautiful woman (with no penetration or climax); you prepare for the experience with extreme excitement as you know your lady has amazing ability, the foreplay is fantastic - the best you’ve ever had, then just when you need to get it into the box and shoot, Mr Winkie is a soft as a marshmallow, the beautiful woman leaves disappointed that you weren’t able to hit the target and your left depressed up until the next time a stunning lady derobes in your den again only for Mr Winkie to repeat his trick of being a limp as a sodden biscuit.

Mr. Rune... Hugo... you're a beautiful man. I want to thank you for your warmth and compassion.

 

[Swansman]

Ok, fair enough, a bit of exaggeration is ok. But you do think it's a lot worse than it is in reality. As has been covered already, a few stressed (and possibly inebriated) fans complaining that the players/manager aren't good enough, and that we need spend more if we want top 10, are not representative of our real support. When you actually go to games, you don't get the moaning that you see on here.

Barcelona are one of the most successful clubs in the history of football, because they spend so much money. If they're broke, then their owners/fans need to accept they won't be winning anything any time soon, as they sell players and recruit cheap. Meanwhile, the whole concept of the ESL is disgusting to any real football fan, so combining the two and saying that Barcelona need it in order to survive, doesn't sit well with me, and many other Brighton fans it seems.

Well then I look forward to actually going to games!

As for the reasons for the success of Barcelona, I cant agree. If we take a look at "peak Barca", Peps 2011 winners, they had this lineup:

2011 CL
Valdes - own product

Dani Alves - €23m
Javier Mascherano - €24m
Gerard Pique - €5m
Eric Abidal - €9m

Sergio Busquets - own product
Xavi - own product
Andres Iniesta - own product

David Villa - €40m
Lionel Messi - own product
Pedro - own product

While by no means cheap, its still "only" €40m (or one David Villa) more expensive than the Brighton lineup starting against Chelsea this week, and then we should remember that Brighton probably got one of the cheapest teams in the Premier League, and it was certainly significantly cheaper than the Manchester United side they were facing. The reason behind Barcelonas successful history is not money, but the youth academy. In each of their successful eras you will find a ton of La Masia youth products.

Barcelona fans are in full acceptance mode at the moment. Bartomeu destroyed the youth academy in order to buy more players and the current Koeman side of about 13 senior players and the rest being young players sits well with them. The fans are behind the team a lot more than in recent years. But their "acceptance" that they will have a very rough time competing for titles does not change their economical reality where they have more than €1b in debts with about €700m of them to be paid preferably yesterday. Everyone is aware of this and the "just sell some players" thing is not working, no one is paying for Barcelona players. To get rid of Luis Suarez they had to pay his full wage and release him on a free transfer, just saving some win bonuses. They need to get money from somewhere to survive, and to me - while I despise the Super League thing - it remains completely understandable that Laporta wanted to join the Super League and get that much needed - more so than wanted - immediate €300-400m cash injection.