[Football] FC Barcelona statement on the Super League

[jcdenton08]

Bunch of sanctimonious horseshit. Yeah you fought for survival but during any transfer window it takes about two minutes of scrolling this board to realise you've all forgotten about it 99% of the time, the 1% being like now, when you could use it as a bat.

In fact, its pretty ****ing funny when someone from Plucky Island points anywhere else but in their own backyard. "Look at these greedy ****ing spaniards, at least our clubs APOLOGISED!"... haha. There is no other country where clubs, fans and players alike fully accepted and even embraced the monstrous development of football. Cheapest season ticket at Barcelona is at £100, cheapest over at Emirates Stadium £1000. Chepest ticket in Brighton? Dunno, but its more expensive than over in Barcelona or Madrid.

Fighting for survival for Barcelona will be to sell every player they can (like they did last summer, with the exception of LM who pays for himself, and will this summer as well). They dont have a sugardaddy who can pay up when things go bad and they dont have greed so deeply ingrained into their culture that they would be able to extort their fans to pay bizarre money. They need to look elsewhere, and this disgusting Super League was what they considered one of their solutions because due to mismanagement they are in a situation where cost cutting simply isnt enough. Do I approve of their Super League wishes? No, but I understand them.

Utter rubbish spoken like a complete JCL with no affection for our club. You're rightly getting a kicking with replies, but not hard enough for my taste.

Your credibility is shot, so when you offer opinions they're worthless.

 

[Triggaaar]

"as well as the need to always act with the utmost transparency, FC Barcelona shall act at all times with due prudence and asks for the utmost understanding, respect and most of all patience among FC Barcelona supporters and public
opinion in general."

Transparency!! WTAF. Who wrote this tosh, its utter garbage nonsensical BS.
Piss off Barca, joke

I hear you're a racist now, Father.

 

[Lower West Stander]

But I don't think either will survive. Both will be gone in their present form within the next year or two, (though maybe they can use the Palace handbook to reform in some capacity, no idea how that works in Spain)

Three reasons I think that.

Firstly, their liabilities can't be immediately minimised in the manner you suggest, football contracts run over the longer term.
Secondly, I think the price of servicing their enormous debt will increase as economies suffer in the immediate post covid years and lenders increasingly doubt debtors ability to pay and raise rates to cover the risk
Thirdly ... and most importantly ... the first step to solving a problem is admitting it exists. They are blaming everyone else, denying the problem, but still signing big players, like Alaba and giving out big contracts when they should be tightening their belt.

The only saving grace for those two clubs is that I have no doubt the Spanish government will bail them out if needed. Then they will go of splurging the cash again

Much as I'd love to - can't agree.

Your last paragraph sums it up. RM and Barca are political animals - they will find some piece of financial engineering to keep them afloat because its in the national interest to do so. RM were on the point of bankruptcy before they sold their training ground for a ridiculously inflated price to a Government backed institution. Barca are the face of Catalonian society - money would be found.

I can't believe Spanish politics hasn't got its fingers in this - why else would these two clubs come out with such brazen statements?

 

[Lower West Stander]

Bunch of sanctimonious horseshit. Yeah you fought for survival but during any transfer window it takes about two minutes of scrolling this board to realise you've all forgotten about it 99% of the time, the 1% being like now, when you could use it as a bat.

In fact, its pretty ****ing funny when someone from Plucky Island points anywhere else but in their own backyard. "Look at these greedy ****ing spaniards, at least our clubs APOLOGISED!"... haha. There is no other country where clubs, fans and players alike fully accepted and even embraced the monstrous development of football. Cheapest season ticket at Barcelona is at £100, cheapest over at Emirates Stadium £1000. Chepest ticket in Brighton? Dunno, but its more expensive than over in Barcelona or Madrid.

Fighting for survival for Barcelona will be to sell every player they can (like they did last summer, with the exception of LM who pays for himself, and will this summer as well). They dont have a sugardaddy who can pay up when things go bad and they dont have greed so deeply ingrained into their culture that they would be able to extort their fans to pay bizarre money. They need to look elsewhere, and this disgusting Super League was what they considered one of their solutions because due to mismanagement they are in a situation where cost cutting simply isnt enough. Do I approve of their Super League wishes? No, but I understand them.

This is not a wise post on this forum.

Please do not preach to us fans as to what we do and don't remember about our history. I would be surprised if there was one fan on here who has forgotten it 99% of the time. Our history is amazing and we are all proud of where we are now - no one on here takes that for granted.

Nice to know you're so on top of things at our club you don't even know the season ticket prices as well.....

 

[NooBHA]

And likewise, Barcelona are in ruins because of crooked presidents. Rosell spent two years in pre-trial detention (before getting released, not necessarily because he isnt guilty) because of his dealings while being president. Just a year ago several directors resigned, citing corruption within the club. The investigation against Bartomeu is ongoing. The last ten years the club has been ruled by shady people, to say the least. Crooked is probably a good word. Now Laporta, at least a bit cleaner than the previous two men, are taking over a club in a financial crisis that could result in the end of the club. You are talking about "selling all the players" and "cutting costs". Sure, but the club would still have a massive debt. No one is paying for Barca players. There is no money to be made. They released Suarez, they pretty much gave away Raktiic, they had to make a shit deal with Juve to get rid of Arthur ("we'll take him off your shoulders if you buy Pjanic").

More so, if they sell all their good players, they will be even more in the shit. What do you think their next sponsorship & TV deals & merch sales look like if they ship out Messi & Busquets and bring in Jurgen Locadia and Dale Stephens? Its not as easy as "getting rid of all your players". Brighton could have done that in 1997 - kick out anyone making a single buck, watch the club go down the divisions. Happy days in the Essex Alliance Division 2. But just like Barcelona will never be able to pay off their debt if they sell, give away or kill everyone and everything, Brighton would most likely got a new stadium if HWT was playing instead of Jeff Minton back in 1998, despite the few bucks that would be saved.

Imagine in 1997, someone steps into Dick Knights office and says "hey bro you want to join our Megacool League? Everyone who signs up gets a free stadium and £20m on the bank". What do you think he would have said? Even as you and other groups of fans might have protested it, with Manchester United backing out saying "nah its cool we already got a stadium and £20m in the bank", there is a fair chance that DK - if he had any kind of sense which is what I assume - would have said "but... but... it sounded pretty nice." Barcelona are in the same spot now. Same but different, if you get it. They need it. Dirty, greedy? Perhaps. But its a matter of survival just like it was a matter of survival for you, and its far less offensive that someone in Laportas situation wants this to happen since the owners of Barcelona are socios, people like you and mean, rather than someone who if its really needed just could dig up another couple of millions or billions to keep the shit afloat. Them wanting more is the real greed here, the clubs from the "United" Kingdom were in a far better position to say no from the very beginning.






Thats good and thats the right perspective to have but its pretty far from some all-encompassing narrative of the fan base. During each xfer window and also in between you hear lots of people - not just a small minority - screaming for more investment. A few (in this case a small minority) even say that TB has taken the club as far as he can and should sell it to someone with more cash money.

You are not nationalistic but you see it from the UK perspective. If the owners, like Abramovich or Sheik Whateverhisnameis says its about "survival" you know its bollocks and easily solved. In Barcelona (and Real, but Perez got very decent connections and unlike the case of Barca the government does not want Real to burn to the ground) the owners are thousands of average Pedros who were ****ed up by two crooked presidents. "Distasteful" or not, the club needs money from somewhere because there is no oligarch who can bail them out.

Some of your arguments are not without merit. And you sort of try to Bamboozle everyone with your what I would call ''Mega knowledge '' on a lot of other stuff which has absolutely nothing to do with what is actually being discussed.

You keep stating that Barcelona and other '' NEED '' it to be sustainable - They actually don't ''NEED'' it. - They just ''WANT'' it.

Both Juventus and Glasgow Rangers for two totally different reasons were mismanaged and thrown out of the Top Divisions down to the Third Divisions of their respective Leagues . In those intervening years, they both survived. So they didn't need to be in the Top Divisions to survive. What brought them both back to prominence to their top divisions of their respective countries was that both had a large and loyal fanbase - So that when they were not earning the the larger TV or Sponsorship Rights by virtue of being in the Top Divisions. Their large fanbases was what kept them sustained until they got back up the Leagues.

So they don't ''NEED'' it

They just ''WANT'' it

 

[jcdenton08]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]

I think your comments were ill founded. They were deeply ignorant, they showed a complete lack of understanding of modern Albion fans, and simply served to highlight the sort of intense stupidity that NSCers encounter from armchair pundits who forget to think before they open their mouth. But with a full and frank apology that you’re about to give us this afternoon I’m sure you can dig yourself out of this rather ugly hole.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]

I think your comments were ill founded. They were deeply ignorant, they showed a complete lack of understanding of modern Albion fans, and simply served to highlight the sort of intense stupidity that NSCers encounter from armchair pundits who forget to think before they open their mouth. But with a full and frank apology that you’re about to give us this afternoon I’m sure you can dig yourself out of this rather ugly hole.

If we all have to issue an apology every time we start writing at cross purposes or make an obviously sweeping generalisation, then we'll be seeing some very heavily padded post counts.

 

[Swansman]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]

I think your comments were ill founded. They were deeply ignorant, they showed a complete lack of understanding of modern Albion fans, and simply served to highlight the sort of intense stupidity that NSCers encounter from armchair pundits who forget to think before they open their mouth. But with a full and frank apology that you’re about to give us this afternoon I’m sure you can dig yourself out of this rather ugly hole.

No intentions to apologise. Currently you are all grateful, understanding fans who hold the rough times close to your heart and will never forget where you were and what could have been.. .fast forward five minutes into the game tomorrow with Maupay missing a decent chance and it will all about "Uncle Tony is gambling with our future, I need/deserve a dirt expensive striker", "lucky them we are not allowed to the stadium because we would boo the shit out of the team because that'll help".

Its the same old story over and over again. Survivor & victim when it suits you, demanding & deserving more and more and more when it fits.

 

[Lower West Stander]

No intentions to apologise. Currently you are all grateful, understanding fans who hold the rough times close to your heart and will never forget where you were and what could have been.. .fast forward five minutes into the game tomorrow with Maupay missing a decent chance and it will all about "Uncle Tony is gambling with our future, I need/deserve a dirt expensive striker", "lucky them we are not allowed to the stadium because we would boo the shit out of the team because that'll help".

Its the same old story over and over again. Survivor & victim when it suits you, demanding & deserving more and more and more when it fits.

Get off our forum you ****

 

[jimhigham]

[MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]

I think your comments were ill founded. They were deeply ignorant, they showed a complete lack of understanding of modern Albion fans, and simply served to highlight the sort of intense stupidity that NSCers encounter from armchair pundits who forget to think before they open their mouth. But with a full and frank apology that you’re about to give us this afternoon I’m sure you can dig yourself out of this rather ugly hole.

 

[Munkfish]

Time to get the popcorn out, Crikey Swan is going all ham and eggs on this situation.

 

[vagabond]

Swanny isn’t a local guys. Gotta remember that.

I don’t even know if he’s been to the UK, let alone Brighton. We do have a very unique story to our club that not many share or appreciate.

He ain’t wrong that some of our fanbase are a little ungrateful, but it’s such a minority. Also gotta remember we all get emotional during games (myself included who has cursed Maupay more times then most over the course of 90mins..).

But pretty much every Albion fan loves and is grateful to Tony Bloom and enamoured with our adventures in the PL.

 

[Triggaaar]

No intentions to apologise.

Like Madrid and Barcelona, for you to apologise you'd need a vague understanding of how wrong you are, so no, I'm not expecting an apology.

.. .fast forward five minutes into the game tomorrow with Maupay missing a decent chance and it will all about "Uncle Tony is gambling with our future, I need/deserve a dirt expensive striker", "lucky them we are not allowed to the stadium because we would boo the shit out of the team because that'll help".

Except I've never ever said anything remotely like that (as I'm sure you'll know, because you'll spend hours trawling through my posts trying to find something).

Its the same old story over and over again. Survivor & victim when it suits you, demanding & deserving more and more and more when it fits.

I'm not demanding and I don't claim to be deserving. You know far less about our club and our supporters than I gave you credit for, and you're too classless to dream you could be wrong.

 

[Triggaaar]

Swanny isn’t a local guys. Gotta remember that.

I don’t even know if he’s been to the UK, let alone Brighton. We do have a very unique story to our club that not many share or appreciate.

We know he's not local, but he's spent so much time discussing Brighton and football you'd think he had some understanding.

He ain’t wrong that some of our fanbase are a little ungrateful, but it’s such a minority. Also gotta remember we all get emotional during games (myself included who has cursed Maupay more times then most over the course of 90mins..).

It can be quite a vocal minority, but like you say, it's often just fans venting when stressed, and even then a lot of us will jump on their posts pointing out how ungrateful they appear, as most of us don't feel like that.

 

[Swansman]

Like Madrid and Barcelona, for you to apologise you'd need a vague understanding of how wrong you are, so no, I'm not expecting an apology.

Except I've never ever said anything remotely like that (as I'm sure you'll know, because you'll spend hours trawling through my posts trying to find something).

I'm not demanding and I don't claim to be deserving. You know far less about our club and our supporters than I gave you credit for, and you're too classless to dream you could be wrong.

Like the English clubs, maybe I need a PR team to make some sincereless apologies so that I can keep ****ing you over and robbing you.

And no you probably didnt (and I wont spend any time looking through your old posts, you are not that exciting or annoying) but others frequently do. Just look at this post, https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?386113-Tony-Bloom-Just-Sign-a-Proper-Striker-End-of, "I will always be grateful for what Bloom does for us but enough is enough".Lots of muppets agreeing but I have no doubt that in another situation they would use the "been through the rough times" thing as a bat. It happens here a lot. On one hand they think they deserve the world, on the other they pretend to support TB (but in reality they are supporting a dead romantic picture of themselves).

 

[schmunk]

sincereless

Insincere.

English, eh? Nonsensical!

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

No intentions to apologise. Currently you are all grateful, understanding fans who hold the rough times close to your heart and will never forget where you were and what could have been.. .fast forward five minutes into the game tomorrow with Maupay missing a decent chance and it will all about "Uncle Tony is gambling with our future, I need/deserve a dirt expensive striker", "lucky them we are not allowed to the stadium because we would boo the shit out of the team because that'll help".

Its the same old story over and over again. Survivor & victim when it suits you, demanding & deserving more and more and more when it fits.

Swansman, there are fields to fight your battles on and ones to avoid, and harking back to 1997 and suggesting that we don't remember our history or act on it is one you should steer well clear of. You're not wrong that there will be people moaning away on the match thread tomorrow, and people demanding more spending, but the truth is that all clubs have these types, and indeed there are many younger and newer supporters of the club who remember little before the Amex. But there are plenty of us who do, who fought for our survival and our renaissance, and amongst that number is Tony Bloom himself.

You have tried to understand, but it seems you might have failed to get the nuance in your most recent tirade to Triggaar..."Imagine in 1997, someone steps into Dick Knights office and says "hey bro you want to join our Megacool League? Everyone who signs up gets a free stadium and £20m on the bank". Now, you know that Dick Knight was only sitting in that office because we'd fought to wrestle the club from the previous owners who'd snaffled the best part of 20m into their pockets by selling our ground, and you could have given us all the money you wanted in 1997 to build a stadium, but we had nowhere to build it and that took us the best part of a decade. "Brighton could have done that in 1997 - kick out anyone making a single buck, watch the club go down the divisions." So, to be clear, this is exactly what was happening to us before 1997, the previous owners were running the club into the ground which resulted in us dropping two divisions and a third relegation was inevitable until we got them, out, who knows where we would have gone after that. Once DK took over, investment from him and others kept the running costs of the club covered, indeed we had some success on the pitch when back at Withdean. The issue wasn't money, it was a home and thus long-term sustainability. "Happy days in the Essex Alliance Division 2" Unfortunately, I don't believe we would ever be eligible for the Essex league. I wouldn't be surprised, however, if our previous owners had looked to that county for a groundshare whilst fleecing us of everything we owned, but they'd settled on negotiating for Hampshire or Kent. Took DK a couple of years to get us back home to Sussex. if HWT was playing instead of Jeff Minton back in 1998 I think he might have been playing alongside him, but under the initials MMJ.

Now comparing Barcelona to Brighton is all well and dandy, but, er, no.

The irony in all this is by negotiating their own TV rights independently of the rest of La Liga, Barcelona and Real have directly created an uncompetitive league that no-one cares about; and so to stay relevant they have had to populate their team with expensive superstars. Whereas in England the money has been shared around, lots of teams have become strong, more and more players come to the premier league, the league as a whole is attractive, and the TV and commercial rights have exploded on the basis of the league itself, not just the names of the league's biggest clubs. Therefore the big teams can get all these riches without having to pay superstars stupid* money, instead they simply build teams of quality footballers that are better than the rest. Liverpool didn't need to keep Suarez and Coutinho to stay relevant, or to win the premier league and champions league, but Barcelona had to sign these players to stay relevant and keep their income rolling in. The English clubs would never give that up for a super league, and came running back as soon as the premier league showed its teeth, whereas the Spanish clubs don't care for building a strong La Liga. Silly them.

*stupid by Barca/Real/Paris numbers

 

[Triggaaar]

Like the English clubs, maybe I need a PR team to make some sincereless apologies so that I can keep ****ing you over and robbing you.

But I too think they're BS apologies, so I don't know why you continue to push the suggestion that I think it's all fine now they've 'apologised'.

And no you probably didnt (and I wont spend any time looking through your old posts, you are not that exciting or annoying) but others frequently do.

If you had started with 'others frequently do' I wouldn't have complained, because I hate it when people demand we spend money on better players (I often wonder if they're actually Brighton fans, trolling, or just drunk) but you said:

Yeah you fought for survival but during any transfer window it takes about two minutes of scrolling this board to realise you've all forgotten about it 99% of the time, the 1% being like now, when you could use it as a bat.

So ALL of us. Every single one of us forget. And how often do we forget? 99% of the time.

Well at least we remember 1% of the time right? No, that 1% is only there as a bat.

Oh I see. Thanks for letting us all know what we think.

 

[Lever]

From that statement it seems that they don't intend to kill the idea, but are just trying to tweak it before trying again.....

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Steady on, Swanny. There’s a sweeping generalisation there (highlighted). Yes, there are many on here banging on about the need for Tony to find another £40 million here or there but there are still some of us that will watch the club at whatever level our finances dictate is feasible. Our past troubles are the filter I view everything else through. I nearly didn’t have a team anymore. Anything else that followed that low point has been a bonus and I don’t want to see any action taken that jeopardises our long term sustainability.

This.

Big error of judgement on this occasion [MENTION=38333]Swansman[/MENTION]