[Politics] Far right party set to take power in Holland ?

[dwayne]

Tad surprising

European far right celebrates as exit poll puts Wilders’ party in front – as it happened

Voters cast ballots until 9pm in elections that could set country on different course after Mark Rutte’s four consecutive governments

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[Zeberdi]

Tad surprising

European far right celebrates as exit poll puts Wilders’ party in front – as it happened

Voters cast ballots until 9pm in elections that could set country on different course after Mark Rutte’s four consecutive governments

www.google.com

Not really unfortunately- the far right are gaining ground all over Europe and in the US

 

[dwayne]

Not really unfortunately- the far right are gaining ground all over Europe and in the US

True. And Holland has massive immigration issues.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not really unfortunately- the far right are gaining ground all over Europe and in the US

Recent elections in Germany and Spain returned socialist leaders. Poland booted out a right wing government and the UK will do the same next year. There’s others to.

 

[Zeberdi]

Recent elections in Germany and Spain returned socialist leaders. Poland booted out a right wing government and the UK will do the same next year. There’s others to.

That may be the case but the PiS in Poland still won the most votes - the trend overall has been that far right parties are gaining traction and moving into mainstream politics - they do not have to be in power to effect policymaking - it’s a good argument for FPTP but not one I agree with I hasten to add!

“Over the past year, right-wing parties have made significant gains across Europe. Right-wing nationalists are now governing outright in Italy and Hungary, have recently joined the governing coalition in Finland and support the government in Sweden. And although Poland’s pro-EU opposition parties defied expectations and won enough seats to oust the nationalist Law and Justice party (PiS) in the country’s recent elections, PiS still took the largest number of votes.”

Is Europe’s green wave turning blue? Making sense of the rightward shift in European cities

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The hard right is getting closer to power all over Europe

It does not need to join governments to affect policymaking

www.economist.com

Europe swings right — and reshapes the EU

Italy, Finland, Greece have recently moved. Spain could be next. The shift will affect everything from climate policy to migration.

www.politico.eu

Nationalist, populist, far-right parties eye rising support across Europe

A backlash against immigration, LGBTQ rights, abortion and support for Ukraine is unfolding across the continent.

www.aljazeera.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/22/europe/europe-populism-far-right-extreme-intl-cmd/index.html

 

[Weststander]

Recent elections in Germany and Spain returned socialist leaders. Poland booted out a right wing government and the UK will do the same next year. There’s others to.

A mixed picture, sadly. Italy, and a neo fascist party who see Franco (White Terror) as a god is increasingly popular in Spain.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Not really unfortunately- the far right are gaining ground all over Europe and in the US

PPV are predicted to win 35 seats in the 150-seat parliament. Let’s see if they can form a working majority given few parties will work with them.

 

[attila]

No - an example of why PR is a proper electoral system, FPTP is batshit nonsense and much of our media are utterly clueless.
Exit polls say veteran far right bigot Geert Wilders' PVV party is predicted to gain the most seats in the Dutch parliament with around 35% of the vote.
That is SHOCKING.
Cue FPTP programmed UK media trumpeting:
'FAR RIGHT WINS DUTCH ELECTION'.
No it hasn't.
I repeat: if true, their percentage is shocking. But they have benefited from the collapse of the 'moderate' Right. They have, as far as I can see, no one they can form an alliance with. The Left vote has gone up considerably too and the same polls predict that the Left and centre will have a majority.

 

[A1X]

I know someone who’ll be delighted

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Recent elections in Germany and Spain returned socialist leaders. Poland booted out a right wing government and the UK will do the same next year. There’s others to.

Spain is a totally different case.

The Conservatives won, the only reason Pedro Sanchez is still in power is because he did a deal with the separatists, something he said he’d never do before the election.

The AfD are now a clear second in the opinion polls in Germany.

The right are winning voters all over the world.

Rather than be dismissive people need to think why that is the case.

Just look at Argentina.

 

[PeterT]

Being follicly challenged, I take comfort that all these unhinged, right wing nutters getting popular or elected across the globe all seem to have mad hair and far too much of it.

 

[beorhthelm]

Spain is a totally different case.

The Conservatives won, the only reason Pedro Sanchez is still in power is because he did a deal with the separatists, something he said he’d never do before the election.

The AfD are now a clear second in the opinion polls in Germany.

The right are winning voters all over the world.

Rather than be dismissive people need to think why that is the case.

Just look at Argentina.

people want change. if current government is left leaning, the votes will go right leaning, and vice versa. most of Europe is in economic doldrums or recession, hang over from money print/inflation/interest rate cycle of past few years, end of a decade coasting while not addressing older problems. so they'll vote for the other side to see if they can do better.

 

[Weststander]

Actually I’m not even sure why what I said in post #2 is contentious - the long term trends say the far right is on an upward trajectory - poll results, electoral events and trends tend not to lie and an incredibly broad range of media sources while differing on minituea all identify that the far right is gaining traction amongst the electorate all over Europe (and in the US, South America, Israel …etc) despite the actual outcome of elections

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/15/europe-far-right-spain/

Unscientifically, my instinct is of a peak ‘liberal’ world about 20 years ago. The first murmurings of loons with significant support that I can recall was Sarah Palin and The Tea Party movement. Since then it seems a never ending Whackamole of nationalists or the Far Right having some electoral success globally. Imho social media and misinformation would be a factor.

 

[Bakero]

Spain is a totally different case.

The Conservatives won, the only reason Pedro Sanchez is still in power is because he did a deal with the separatists, something he said he’d never do before the election.

"Won" is a stretch. The PP needed another 40 seats for a majority so were some way short. In terms of the popular vote there's wasn't much in it. Sanchez's PSOE were about 300,000 behind but they actually gained a seat.

 

[Ali_rrr]

The PVV will be in power. The NSC party has already said they will be willing to work with them and I am sure others will too.


The PVV have toned down their anti-islam, Nexit rhetoric and have solely focused on immigration from outside the EU. Socially, they are very left.

 

[A1X]

The PVV will be in power. The NSC party has already said they will be willing to work with them and I am sure others will too.


The PVV have toned down their anti-islam, Nexit rhetoric and have solely focused on immigration from outside the EU. Socially, they are very left.

WTF, was that decided on a Crodo poll? I missed that.

 

[jcdenton08]

What’s happened here is people had legitimate concerns personal to them and their living situations about immigration which weren’t listened to, and anyone who spoke up about these concerns were branded as racists/xenophobes/Islamophobes.

Government and ministers from all sides were quick to bracket people asking questions as undesirables and did nothing to address their concerns.

This left a gap for a far right one-issue rabble-rouser to sweep in out of nowhere and pretend to listen, gaining immediate votes on a shoddy platform.

Ring any bells? The similarities to UKIP’s rise are plain. Worth remembering that if we had a system of PR, then UKIP would’ve had a very serious say at the seat of power.

 

[Trufflehound]

No - an example of why PR is a proper electoral system, FPTP is batshit nonsense and much of our media are utterly clueless.
Exit polls say veteran far right bigot Geert Wilders' PVV party is predicted to gain the most seats in the Dutch parliament with around 35% of the vote.
That is SHOCKING.
Cue FPTP programmed UK media trumpeting:
'FAR RIGHT WINS DUTCH ELECTION'.
No it hasn't.
I repeat: if true, their percentage is shocking. But they have benefited from the collapse of the 'moderate' Right. They have, as far as I can see, no one they can form an alliance with. The Left vote has gone up considerably too and the same polls predict that the Left and centre will have a majority.

Indeed. And just in the interests of accuracy, Wilders is currently predicted to win 37 seats in a 150-seat house, which is 25% not 35%. So "only" one in four voters picked him. Still shocking enough given the bile he spouts, but he's been knocking around there or thereabouts for two decades, so this was bound to happen eventually.

A lot of the problem here was that people were sick of the government that had ruled for the past 13 years (sound familiar), and all the other major parties were tainted by being involved in the ruling coalition at one time or other. Moreover, the Netherlands currently has a major housing crisis, and - rightly or wrongly - a lot of people seek to blame immigration for exacerbating the situation, rather than looking for a practical and sustainable solution. That current issue was weighing more heavily on most voters' minds than longer-term but important issues like climate change, something you can sort of ignore if you try, but which might actually determine whether any of us are still around in 50 years' time.

A third factor was a live TV debate earlier this week involving all the party leaders. All the others were fumbling around for answers trying their best not to tell the truth whilst not actually lying, and thus they came across as weak-minded. Wilders was direct and gave straight answers. Straight answers that were total made-up lies and bullshit of course, but as we know, as with Johnson, Trump et al, tell people whatever it is you think they want to hear boldly enough, and sufficient numbers of gullible folk will lap it up and vote for you. There were so many undecided people even at that late stage that this one event almost certainly was the clincher.

What happens now is probably down to the VVD in my opinion, and whether Wilders can change their stated minds and get them to work with him. I don't think any of the larger centre and left parties will work with him (certainly not the party I voted for yesterday, GL/PvdA, or D66, almost certainly not NSC*), so without VVD support he cannot form a majority.

Likewise, a centre-left-right coalition would also need VVD support to form a government. Probably whoever does form a government (and I sincerely hope it isn't Wilders), they will need to involve the BBB farmers' party in some way, since the BBB control the upper house, so getting any legislation passed without them will be tricky...

Hopefully the negotiations will be complicated and last the full four-year cycle, then we can vote them back out again without them causing too much damage.

(*that's New Social Contract btw, not North Stand Chat...)

 

[A1X]

What’s happened here is people had legitimate concerns personal to them and their living situations about immigration which weren’t listened to, and anyone who spoke up about these concerns were branded as racists/xenophobes/Islamophobes.

Probably because, as with this country and others, their “legitimate concerns” actually aren’t legitimate at all, they’re mostly prejudice and xenophobia.

 

[jcdenton08]

You think the PVV are a one-issue party that have swept in out of no where!?

There’s little similarity to UKIP which collapsed post-Brexit - it was always the Brexit party and primarily a political platform for Farage - once Farage left and Brexit was done, there was no real niche for them.

Wilders won votes because he toned down the anti-islam rhetoric and focussed his campaign more on tackling hot-button issues such as housing shortages, a cost-of-living crisis and access to good health care.

They’ve been on the fringe of opposition for decades - even came close in 2014 to forming a coalition government

You’ve wilfully ignored the crux of my point, again.