Far-Right National Front Stuns French Elite With EU 'Earthquake'

[Westdene Seagull]

He promised a referendum on a re-negotiated EU charter. There is absolutely no way he will be able to negotiate the changes he wants so you are correct, it won't happen.

Be a proper member and make change then. Signing up but moaning from the periphery won't do anything.

So while we're a "proper member" CMD wants the EU to change - you and I clearly agree he won't get it. Yet you suggest we remain a "proper member" to get things changed

The EU doesn't want to reform itself - in fact it wants to charge head long towards an EU Superstate. Look at the fight CMD had just to keep the budget down but when Greece and Italy tried to reject austerity the EU assisted in removing their governments. So it's one rule for the EU and another for member states.

Let's start with an experimental change to the EU - something very sensible and a change I'm sure almost everyone would agree needs to happen - let's stop this ridiculous movement between Brussels and Strasbourg. Ah, I can hear the screams of "never" from the EU already. If the EU can't even see common sense changes that need to be made ( or want them ) it's hardly going to ever reform to a level to satisfy pro-reformers.

Hence why the idea that you get changes made as a "proper member" is a bizarre one.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

watching the news and "what the papers say" not only here but also European publications and the clear message from the editorials from all political spectrums is things must change and its time to listen to the euro sceptics.....will they?......i doubt it?

Completely agree. About time people connected the dots.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Roughly 10% of the population or 27% of the can be arsed to vote population don't like the EU. This is neither a surprise nor an earthquake.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Roughly 10% of the population or 27% of the can be arsed to vote population don't like the EU. This is neither a surprise nor an earthquake.

Keep burying your head in the sand.

Is there an ostrich smiley on NSC?

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Keep burying your head in the sand.

Is there an ostrich smiley on NSC?

Your assumption there is that I'm particularly pro EU. That would be a wrong one. So perhaps we can have a smiley for those who stereotype people to reenforce their own prejudices or agenda.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Hence why the idea that you get changes made as a "proper member" is a bizarre one.

What's bizarre about being an influential member of a group? It's an easy concept to grasp?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Your assumption there is that I'm particularly pro EU. That would be a wrong one. So perhaps we can have a smiley for those who stereotype people to reenforce their own prejudices or agenda.

Your assumption that I have an agenda is incorrect. As to prejudice, I don't believe anyone is without it. Your comment infers that the result is unremarkable, that is, in my opinion, wrong.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

One thing which does puzzle me is that I really do not think europe is the biggest issue facing the country at the moment. The economy is still pants, manufacturing is almost non-existant, the schools are an incoherent jumble of free schools and academies and **** knows what, London airports need sorting out and the nation is being to ransom by the power companies. Yet something which you cannot do a lot about in the short to medium term is still top of the pile. Is the EU really the big ticket issue? Would all the energy and time spent on the EU not be better places elsewhere at this precise moment?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Is the EU really the big ticket issue? Would all the energy and time spent on the EU not be better places elsewhere at this precise moment?

Err, I'm surprised to say I agree with you on this. Surely that is precisely why so many people voted for UKIP. If we ditched Europe, it would indeed allow us to concentrate on those issues.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Your assumption that I have an agenda is incorrect. As to prejudice, I don't believe anyone is without it. Your comment infers that the result is unremarkable, that is, in my opinion, wrong.

In what sense is it remarkable? In the 1975 EEC referendum 32% voted to get out. Figures have been remarkably constant ever since.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Err, I'm surprised to say I agree with you on this. Surely that is precisely why so many people voted for UKIP. If we ditched Europe, it would indeed allow us to concentrate on those issues.

But getting out of Europe will take 3-5 years min and I dread to think how long it would take to renogotiate the trading and economic agreements not to mention the time, money and effort. The economy is the biggest issue facing the country now and it should come first. I appreciate the two go hand-in-hand but short term you need to get the economy working and short term this will have to be within the current system.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

What's bizarre about being an influential member of a group? It's an easy concept to grasp?

You've already posted that CMD won't get the changes required - how does that make us influential ? We're not.

 

[Beach Hut]

But getting out of Europe will take 3-5 years min and I dread to think how long it would take to renogotiate the trading and economic agreements not to mention the time, money and effort. The economy is the biggest issue facing the country now and it should come first. I appreciate the two go hand-in-hand but short term you need to get the economy working and short term this will have to be within the current system.

Totally agree on this, if people think it is that simple to disband the EU they are literally on another planet.

It would set the economy back another 10 years or so plus mean a lot of companies would leave the UK.

 

[Steve.S]

The sad fact in this country is that we have young people who are lazy and would not do certain jobs, because they feel its beneath them or want more money. Immigrants come into this country and are prepared to work hard and long hours, now that means some employers will take advantage of the situation and pay less money. The government needs to find the balance with immigration and in force the minimum wage. Immigration is not to blame for unemployment, lack of social housing and closures to essential services in communities are the problem and it's the Government policies.the cuts have had a huge effect on low earners and unemployed. The bedroom tax being one issue that has had a big impact on people. Disalussioned people who have no one to fight their corner, because the Labour Party is weak and lacks a leader to voice the concerns and find solutions for these people. That's why people vote UKIP because they want parties to know that they feel that no one is listening.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

In what sense is it remarkable? In the 1975 EEC referendum 32% voted to get out. Figures have been remarkably constant ever since.

I suppose, in isolation, the figures you quote are not that remarkable. However the results of a vote cannot be compared to the results from an election. A referenda gives a simple yes/no choice whereas an election result is fought with party loyalty, tradition and many different policies. The election result is therefore remarkable.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

But getting out of Europe will take 3-5 years min and I dread to think how long it would take to renogotiate the trading and economic agreements not to mention the time, money and effort. The economy is the biggest issue facing the country now and it should come first. I appreciate the two go hand-in-hand but short term you need to get the economy working and short term this will have to be within the current system.

I agree, it would be one big mess.

 

[beorhthelm]

One thing which does puzzle me is that I really do not think europe is the biggest issue facing the country at the moment. The economy is still pants, manufacturing is almost non-existant, the schools are an incoherent jumble of free schools and academies and **** knows what, London airports need sorting out and the nation is being to ransom by the power companies.

maybe because despite the protestations of some, the economy is improving, manufacturing is substantial (really dont know why you think $150bn and 2.6million employed is non-existant), school administration is a misdirection from actual teaching, airports are fine unless you are an airline, and the biggest problem with the power industry is EU regulation that has blocked new plant.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

I suppose, in isolation, the figures you quote are not that remarkable. However the results of a vote cannot be compared to the results from an election. A referenda gives a simple yes/no choice whereas an election result is fought with party loyalty, tradition and many different policies. The election result is therefore remarkable.

No it's not. UKIP voters were voting on a single issue. With all due respect UKIP barely has any other coherent policies.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

No it's not. UKIP voters were voting on a single issue. With all due respect UKIP barely has any other coherent policies.

Yes, for the most part I agree about the voting motivations of UKIP supporters. However my point still stands about party politics regarding the other mainstream parties. Surely you don't suppose that ALL conservative, labour and liberal voters would vote to stay in the eu simply because they didn't vote UKIP in this election?

 

[User removed 4]

No. The NF target the uneducated and ill-informed. It's nothing about slinging insults. I'm not having a go at people who vote UKIP (who I also disagree with), but voting the NF is the lowest of the low

Tim, people are simply sick to death of large scale immigration forced on them by people who, by and large don't have to deal with the consequences, they are obviously protesting by voting for the nf in Franceand ukip here, i don't think the ukip vote here is an anti EU one as much as a protest at immigration, EU and non EU.