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Grendel

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Jul 28, 2005
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It's a t-shirt based on the graphic representation of the pulse of a star. So what? Joy Division didn't discover, invent, or have an exclusive license for such a thing, they merely lifted the image from a textbox and used it as an album cover. Who's to say Disney even based this t-shirt on the Unknown Pleasures album cover anyway?
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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It must have been New Order, Joy Division never played in Brighton. Most gigographies are sketchy about the details of this gig - no recording or set-list has ever surfaced and the date of the gig itself has only ever been narrowed down to either Oct or Nov 1980. You don't still have the ticket stub, do you?!

Well they never did ticket stubs at the art college basement, don't think they even stamped your hand. It was just pay on the door usually. If memory serves, I never even knew the gig was on in advance, was just walking past and noticed the queue then noticed the sign saying New Order were playing and only registered who New Order were because I'd been reading about them being formed by the surviving members of Joy Division in NME the week before. I'd seen Joy Division a few times previously, but it was just by sheer chance I happened across New Order that night. Doubt the gig was even publicised other than by word of mouth.
 




AIT76

The wisdom of a fool
Jul 29, 2004
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Well they never did ticket stubs at the art college basement, don't think they even stamped your hand. It was just pay on the door usually. If memory serves, I never even knew the gig was on in advance, was just walking past and noticed the queue then noticed the sign saying New Order were playing and only registered who New Order were because I'd been reading about them being formed by the surviving members of Joy Division in NME the week before. I'd seen Joy Division a few times previously, but it was just by sheer chance I happened across New Order that night. Doubt the gig was even publicised other than by word of mouth.

Thanks for that - Joy Division / New Order are my pet subject. I have a friend in the States who maintains a gigography and I've passed on your recollections to him - hope you don't mind. As I said, this particular gig has alway been a bit of a mystery so he was happy to have some further information.
 


JamesAndTheGiantHead

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Sep 2, 2011
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Worthing
It's a t-shirt based on the graphic representation of the pulse of a star. So what? Joy Division didn't discover, invent, or have an exclusive license for such a thing, they merely lifted the image from a textbox and used it as an album cover. Who's to say Disney even based this t-shirt on the Unknown Pleasures album cover anyway?

That's all very true, but had you seen that image anywhere else before Peter Saville showed it to you? Anyone you show that picture to is going to associate it with Joy Division first and foremost, its iconic.
 




Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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Thanks for that - Joy Division / New Order are my pet subject. I have a friend in the States who maintains a gigography and I've passed on your recollections to him - hope you don't mind. As I said, this particular gig has alway been a bit of a mystery so he was happy to have some further information.

No worries, hope the information is of some use, skimpy tho it is.

Your post got me looking for New Order gigographies, this seems to be a fairly definitive one. I'm sure your friends will be aware of it, might ever be your friends site!

The New Order Gigography

Oh, and here's a link to a good site about the art college basement in case you're interested. Mentions the New Order gig fleetingly.

The ‘Art College’ Basement: some recollections | Our history | University of Brighton - Faculty of Arts
 


Flex Your Head

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It's a t-shirt based on the graphic representation of the pulse of a star. So what? Joy Division didn't discover, invent, or have an exclusive license for such a thing, they merely lifted the image from a textbox and used it as an album cover. Who's to say Disney even based this t-shirt on the Unknown Pleasures album cover anyway?
Did you do anything other than look at the picture? The page which is linked to in the OP includes this:

The listing on the Disney Store website reads: "Inspired by the iconic sleeve of Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures album, this Waves Mickey Mouse Tee incorporates Mickey's image within the graphic of the pulse of a star. That's appropriate given few stars have made bigger waves than Mickey!"
 


Mr Blobby

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Jul 14, 2003
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In a cave






chimneys

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Jun 11, 2007
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Did you do anything other than look at the picture? The page which is linked to in the OP includes this:

The listing on the Disney Store website reads: "Inspired by the iconic sleeve of Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures album, this Waves Mickey Mouse Tee incorporates Mickey's image within the graphic of the pulse of a star. That's appropriate given few stars have made bigger waves than Mickey!"

Presumably, then, Disney got the permission of the rights holder so as not to infringe copyright. Bloomin better have done, knowing how paranoid they are!

Assuming so, maybe those outraged should aim their disgust a bit closer to Manchester than Los Angeles!
 










Dave the OAP

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Jul 5, 2003
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at home
It must have been New Order, Joy Division never played in Brighton. Most gigographies are sketchy about the details of this gig - no recording or set-list has ever surfaced and the date of the gig itself has only ever been narrowed down to either Oct or Nov 1980. You don't still have the ticket stub, do you?! What is certain is that this was their second gig as a four piece. They'd played a handful of gigs as a three piece before Gillian Gilbert joined .

unless i am in the advanced stages of altzeimers, it definately was them...or it could have been the Osmonds
 








AIT76

The wisdom of a fool
Jul 29, 2004
475
Yes New Order did play The Centre in 1986 (and Jenkinsons Bar in 1981), but at the risk of repeating myself, Joy Division never played in Brighton. The article kindly linked to by Tom Hark mentions that they were booked to play there but Curtis' suicide meant it never happened. I expect that is why New Order played instead - they fulfilled some of JD's aborted American tour dates in a similar manner.
 






AIT76

The wisdom of a fool
Jul 29, 2004
475
Another tour c.1983 bypassed Brighton, so we went to see New Order at Portsmouth Guildhall.

I was at that gig - most memorable bit was being caught right in the middle of a massive fight in the stalls. I gallantly tried to protect my girlfriend and got a stray DM in the nuts for my trouble!
 


Flex Your Head

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Yes New Order did play The Centre in 1986 (and Jenkinsons Bar in 1981).
I was at the Jenkinsons gig. New Order played for 35 minutes, and apart from the glorious Ceremony, were very dull, probably cos no-one had really had a chance to listen to any of their other material at that stage.
Support band Section 25 were even worse and played with their backs turned to the audience for the duaration of their set, the pretentious, dismal tits.
Mind you, my advance ticket was £1.90, but it was a massive £2.50 if you paid on the door!
 


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