Falmer Petition to PM

[Lego-Stand]

Some of us have jobs and dont spend all day reading every detail of every thread

 

[Marc]

NOW you are acting like God Lord B by telling people not to sign it, we live in a supposedly FREE society where we have the blessing of FREE speech of which we can use to our own discretion. If people want to get their point across which is outside of the FFA team then so be it, you can NOT stop them. Its a case now of everyone one of us being just totally pissed off and bored with the whole fighting for Falmer thing and and if people want to try something on their own then so be it. Another postcard campaign wreaks of desperation so why is that any different to this particular petition?

We're all fans trying to get the best for our club in any way we see fit, you cant stop us from doing that.

 

[ROSM]

NOW you are acting like God Lord B by telling people not to sign it, we live in a supposedly FREE society where we have the blessing of FREE speech of which we can use to our own discretion. If people want to get their point across which is outside of the FFA team then so be it, you can NOT stop them. Its a case now of everyone one of us being just totally pissed off and bored with the whole fighting for Falmer thing and and if people want to try something on their own then so be it. Another postcard campaign wreaks of desperation so why is that any different to this particular petition?

We're all fans trying to get the best for our club in any way we see fit, you cant stop us from doing that.

I understand your frustration but I regret to say there are things that can actually backfire on us. This online petition is one of them. Lord B has highlighted the issues that this could cause and how our opponents could use this against us.

The major problem is coordination - a small number of high impact events is far more useful than a large number of scattergun activities. One major downside is that people may not get behind the big impact one as they feel they've already done something similar.

Nobody can STOP anybody from doing things. Perhaps they can read the opinion provided by some who have given many hours of their own time and form their own opinion from that. In this instance the opinion from Lord B, and for what its worth my opinion too, is that a wholesale canvassing and officialising of this would be the wrong way forward at this time.

 

[Marc]

I understand your frustration but I regret to say there are things that can actually backfire on us. This online petition is one of them. Lord B has highlighted the issues that this could cause and how our opponents could use this against us.

The major problem is coordination - a small number of high impact events is far more useful than a large number of scattergun activities. One major downside is that people may not get behind the big impact one as they feel they've already done something similar.

Nobody can STOP anybody from doing things. Perhaps they can read the opinion provided by some who have given many hours of their own time and form their own opinion from that. In this instance the opinion from Lord B, and for what its worth my opinion too, is that a wholesale canvassing and officialising of this would be the wrong way forward at this time.

Dont get me wrong I agree with an organized approach to these things but I dont like the way that the FFA Team are telling us to do it their way or not at all (looks that way to me IMO), it seems as though someone died and made them King and we must adhere to their rules and ways.
What if someone from outside of NSC (shock horror) started a similar thing and would never read what the FFA team are saying? it'd be just another way of getting their point across to whoever they directed it at and they have every right to do so...and no one can stop them.
If I wanted to write a letter to the PM about the stadium situation would I have to go through FFA to do it? no of course not...so why all this pa larva over another petition of which we have done a hundred of already!?
If Neighbour wanted any ammo he only has to point at flagging attendances at Withdean so I cant see this hurting any more.

I'm done with this now, my point is made.

 

[Brovion]

Dont get me wrong I agree with an organized approach to these things but I dont like the way that the FFA Team are telling us to do it their way or not at all (looks that way to me IMO), it seems as though someone died and made them King and we must adhere to their rules and ways.
What if someone from outside of NSC (shock horror) started a similar thing and would never read what the FFA team are saying? it'd be just another way of getting their point across to whoever they directed it at and they have every right to do so...and no one can stop them.
If I wanted to write a letter to the PM about the stadium situation would I have to go through FFA to do it? no of course not...so why all this pa larva over another petition of which we have done a hundred of already!?
If Neighbour wanted any ammo he only has to point at flagging attendances at Withdean so I cant see this hurting any more.

I'm done with this now, my point is made.

I must admit I've criticsed the FFA team in the past but I think Lord B and ROSM are spot on this time. I totally agree that FFA don't have a monopoly on campaigns but I really don't think this one has been thought through by either the originator or the people who've signed it. It's mickey mouse, two bob and makes us look like all the pro-stadium support from the previous petiton has vanished. Yes, previous petiton. This has been done before and we need new ideas, hence the postcard campaign.

Now if everybody who signed it had instead sent a jiffy bag full of dogshit to LDC ....

 

[ROSM]

Dont get me wrong I agree with an organized approach to these things but I dont like the way that the FFA Team are telling us to do it their way or not at all (looks that way to me IMO), it seems as though someone died and made them King and we must adhere to their rules and ways.
What if someone from outside of NSC (shock horror) started a similar thing and would never read what the FFA team are saying? it'd be just another way of getting their point across to whoever they directed it at and they have every right to do so...and no one can stop them.
If I wanted to write a letter to the PM about the stadium situation would I have to go through FFA to do it? no of course not...so why all this pa larva over another petition of which we have done a hundred of already!?
If Neighbour wanted any ammo he only has to point at flagging attendances at Withdean so I cant see this hurting any more.

I'm done with this now, my point is made.

I dont think WE are telling anybody what to do. We are advising and in some cases that is strong advice.

Nobody has been made king but as a group we are privvy to some very clear legal, political and planning advice that cannot always be shared publicly but is somethimes used to guide activities.

As for how they got there, there have been numerous requests over the years for people to come forward, assist and organise our campaigns. These are the people who offered their time and have indeed put in considerable hours for many years. apologies if you dont like what was said or how it was put but having read it over again I can clearly see the point that Lord B was making and the reasons behind it.

If having read this reasonable strong advice and people still go ahead then so be it. However it will be people like Lord B who will have to resolve the problems it causes rather than those who may be promoting it.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

What you all are forgetting... and ... dissapointingly Lord B has as well... is that this petition ALREADY EXISTS. If it did not then Lord B's position would be correct. However you cannot ignore something that is already in the public domain. What are the Falmer team going to do? Publicly come out and condemn the petition. That would be a very dangerous move for a group that supposedly reprensents supporters.

The petition now exists so we should all be behind it...regardless of whethr it should have happened or not... anything else will give Mr Baker even more ammunition.,


'Look everyone! Even Lord B hasn't signed this pettition. This quite conclusively proves that there are divisions amongst supporters over Falmer... even Lord B picks and chooses what he supports!'

OK... the petition was an error... but lets not pile more errors on the errors already made!.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Now if everybody who signed it had instead sent a jiffy bag full of dogshit to LDC ....

Agreed. Let's do that as well. I might add some of my own.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I understand your frustration but I regret to say there are things that can actually backfire on us. This online petition is one of them. Lord B has highlighted the issues that this could cause and how our opponents could use this against us.

The major problem is coordination - a small number of high impact events is far more useful than a large number of scattergun activities. One major downside is that people may not get behind the big impact one as they feel they've already done something similar.

Nobody can STOP anybody from doing things. Perhaps they can read the opinion provided by some who have given many hours of their own time and form their own opinion from that. In this instance the opinion from Lord B, and for what its worth my opinion too, is that a wholesale canvassing and officialising of this would be the wrong way forward at this time.

That would all be very well if nearly eveone on NSC hadn't already read this thread and told all their friends. The horse has already bolted and not supporting this NOW would only show divisions in our ranks. This is not the time for making a moral standpoint.

 

[Brovion]

What you all are forgetting... and ... dissapointingly Lord B has as well... is that this petition ALREADY EXISTS. If it did not then Lord B's position would be correct. However you cannot ignore something that is already in the public domain. What are the Falmer team going to do? Publicly come out and condemn the petition. That would be a very dangerous move for a group that supposedly reprensents supporters.

The petition now exists so we should all be behind it...regardless of whethr it should have happened or not... anything else will give Mr Baker even more ammunition.,


'Look everyone! Even Lord B hasn't signed this pettition. This quite conclusively proves that there are divisions amongst supporters over Falmer... even Lord B picks and chooses what he supports!'

OK... the petition was an error... but lets not pile more errors on the errors already made!.

Can't we get it deleted? Before, er, anybody notices?

 

[ROSM]

What you all are forgetting... and ... dissapointingly Lord B has as well... is that this petition ALREADY EXISTS. If it did not then Lord B's position would be correct. However you cannot ignore something that is already in the public domain. What are the Falmer team going to do? Publicly come out and condemn the petition. That would be a very dangerous move for a group that supposedly reprensents supporters.

The petition now exists so we should all be behind it...regardless of whethr it should have happened or not... anything else will give Mr Baker even more ammunition.,


'Look everyone! Even Lord B hasn't signed this pettition. This quite conclusively proves that there are divisions amongst supporters over Falmer... even Lord B picks and chooses what he supports!'

OK... the petition was an error... but lets not pile more errors on the errors already made!.

I'm sure that Lord B isn't forgetting it already exists. How can he? All he is saying is that efforts shouldn't be wasted on promoting this. These efforts should not be diverted from the big hitter activities that are and will be occurring.

there is an alternative and that is - just like many anti stadium things have done - just leave it to go stale and move on.

Nobody is going to condem anything or anybody but strategically it is not the right thing to be doing within the battle we are now facing.

 

[ROSM]

That would all be very well if nearly eveone on NSC hadn't already read this thread and told all their friends. The horse has already bolted and not supporting this NOW would only show divisions in our ranks. This is not the time for making a moral standpoint.

there aren't divisions in the ranks - everybody wants the same thing. and this isn't a moral standpoint but more a way of ensuring effective use of resources. what people have done already is done and their support is appreciated but it is key that it is not a detriment to the other methods and so those who have given their support just need to be aware that there are other, more tailored, more strategically key ways in which they can give their support.

 

[Kent Seagull]

So the official stance is that we let the petition sit there with a couple of hundred signatures, looking like no-one cares? It may not have been a great idea to start it but surely leaving it as it currently stands does us no favours at all.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I still don't understand why we can't do a petition AND send cards to Westminster and MAN-DUNG to Lewes. It's not like in 1997 people were saying that we couldn't do a protest march because all our efforts should have been concentrated on Fan Utd, or whatever. Let's do the lot.

 

[ROSM]

So the official stance is that we let the petition sit there with a couple of hundred signatures, looking like no-one cares? It may not have been a great idea to start it but surely leaving it as it currently stands does us no favours at all.

no it's not an official stance. It is my opinion.

It is not a case of nobody caring but there is a limit to what people can be expected to do and to push for others to do. That is all I'm saying.

 

[Strike]

I won't stick it on rivals but may leave a link on the far less relevant web blog of mine.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

So the official stance is that we let the petition sit there with a couple of hundred signatures, looking like no-one cares? It may not have been a great idea to start it but surely leaving it as it currently stands does us no favours at all.

Oh well.

That was always going to be the case.

This is the end-game, or the start of the end-game.

The boxes of petitions outside Number 10 was the petition bit that counted. That was Fans United. Whereas this petition is just some bloke, albeit an albion fan, starting a petition. Could start another hundred petitions in the next week, all about Falmer, and they'd be equally meaningless. Sorry, but that's the truth, and all these people having a pop at Lord B isn't going to change that basic fact.

This petition is a schoolboy error. If the Nimbys are on top of their game, they'll use it against us. I know I would.

Let the petition sink.

Closing this thread would be a start.

Sorry, but the stakes are too high at this stage in the game for well-meaning distractions that might actually work against us.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Everyone is over-reacting.

I don't think for one minute that the anti-Falmer lobby could ever sell, or even spin, the notion that 61,000 signatories a couple of years ago has now dwindled to 300-odd.

This petition is one way of making a point, the 61,000 petition was another way at another time. Everyone is too far down the line now to spin things to make any difference.

 

[Lokki 7]

I still don't understand why we can't do a petition AND send cards to Westminster and MAN-DUNG to Lewes. It's not like in 1997 people were saying that we couldn't do a protest march because all our efforts should have been concentrated on Fan Utd, or whatever. Let's do the lot.

Agreed. How can an individual spending 60 seconds signing an online petition be a negative thing? As has been very well put already on here, the thing exists so surely 2000 is better than 200?
As for TG being the 100th signiture, in my view the best tribute to him would be to sign and make it something to be proud of.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Agreed. How can an individual spending 60 seconds signing an online petition be a negative thing? As has been very well put already on here, the thing exists so surely 2000 is better than 200?

What if Adrioaiaoahnhnaiaonhaio had started that petition? He'd have been absolutely CRUCIFIED for it. I genuinely don't understand the need for to be dragooned into getting behind a petition started up by a random poster at this stage in the game. Who's to say a properly-organised nationwide petition wasn't going to be a major offensive by the FFA team planned for next week? Sorry, I won't be signing it. Apart from anything else, it's set Albion fan against Albion fan yet again. Ho hum.