[Albion] Fab's pre-plucky presser

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

With our senior players out - Dunk, Veltman, Welbeck, Milner, March - our starting 11 average age must be very low?

Webster to skipper again?

Yes. The youngest of the season. The average starting age on Saturday was 23.5.
They list them here. Its just below Chelsea who have had an average of around the same for most of the season.

Premier League - Average age of the starting XI

This statistic shows which team of the Premier League had the youngest and oldest starting eleven on average on the pitch in the 24/25 season.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

The starting XI against Southampton was the youngest we’ve ever had in the PL.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

So Veltman and Welbeck not "being rested" but actually were carrting some kind of injury. Bugger.

 

[pigmanovich]

So Veltman and Welbeck not "being rested" but actually were carrting some kind of injury. Bugger.

Naylor confirmed as much immediately after the teamsheet was released

 

[pigmanovich]

Estupinian an option.

One would hope, he managed over 20 minutes the other day

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Even if Welbz and Veltman were fit, I’m not sure I’d want to change that team after Saturday.

The only one I might make is Gomez for Ayari as Gomez looks so impressive and he’s got to start at some point and a Saturday to Tuesday turn around might be it. Would be harsh on Ayari though.

 

[Commander]

Yeah I said in the start of October that he's one of the worst managers in the PL because he had A LOT to learn, but that we signed him for his high potential and would eventually become better.

Over the next two months we barely won a game despite playing some of the worst teams in the history of this league, before eventually losing 7-0 against Nottingham.

I see little reason to change any of those takes We made an awful lot of tactical mistakes during our poor run of form, mistakes we are no longer doing. It seems the manager himself agreed he had to improve to compete with the very high level and usually experienced managers of the PL.

I don't think this is unfair at all. People just didn't seem to understand that we hired a Coach like FH because we want him to grow and develop with us, just like with the young players. When you hire a Coach that is approaching the finished article (RDZ), they don't tend to hang around for long!

One thing I have really noticed about people in this country in recent years (and I don't know if it is just people in this country, or people everywhere) is that they really don't like the idea that people can get better at stuff. It's always 'We need to replace this person' rather than give them the time to learn their trade and improve over time.

If NSC as a collective had its way then over the years we would have got rid of the majority of our successful employees a long time before they came good. Who remembers "I'll drive Dunk to Fulham myself for £5 million"?

 

[Mackenzie]

I don't think this is unfair at all. People just didn't seem to understand that we hired a Coach like FH because we want him to grow and develop with us, just like with the young players. When you hire a Coach that is approaching the finished article (RDZ), they don't tend to hang around for long!

One thing I have really noticed about people in this country in recent years (and I don't know if it is just people in this country, or people everywhere) is that they really don't like the idea that people can get better at stuff. It's always 'We need to replace this person' rather than give them the time to learn their trade and improve over time.

If NSC as a collective had its way then over the years we would have got rid of the majority of our successful employees a long time before they came good. Who remembers "I'll drive Dunk to Fulham myself for £5 million"?

It’s true, we expect too much sometimes. I guess a lot of the Fab out stuff is just born of the frustration of losing, after that has passed it’s easier to be rational. He’s a young, intelligent man, trying his upmost to get it right, you can’t knock that.

 

[darkwolf666]

I don't think this is unfair at all. People just didn't seem to understand that we hired a Coach like FH because we want him to grow and develop with us, just like with the young players. When you hire a Coach that is approaching the finished article (RDZ), they don't tend to hang around for long!

One thing I have really noticed about people in this country in recent years (and I don't know if it is just people in this country, or people everywhere) is that they really don't like the idea that people can get better at stuff. It's always 'We need to replace this person' rather than give them the time to learn their trade and improve over time.

If NSC as a collective had its way then over the years we would have got rid of the majority of our successful employees a long time before they came good. Who remembers "I'll drive Dunk to Fulham myself for £5 million"?

You let him off far too easy, with his previous "worst manager" comment. From the start of October, up to the Everton game, we played 18 games, winning 7, drawing 7 and losing 4, twice to Liverpool, Palace and Fulham. That doesn't really seem like the form of the "worst manager" in the PL, but hey - I guess the answer is FH isn't Graham Potter!

 

[Hotchilidog]

I don't think this is unfair at all. People just didn't seem to understand that we hired a Coach like FH because we want him to grow and develop with us, just like with the young players. When you hire a Coach that is approaching the finished article (RDZ), they don't tend to hang around for long!

One thing I have really noticed about people in this country in recent years (and I don't know if it is just people in this country, or people everywhere) is that they really don't like the idea that people can get better at stuff. It's always 'We need to replace this person' rather than give them the time to learn their trade and improve over time.

If NSC as a collective had its way then over the years we would have got rid of the majority of our successful employees a long time before they came good. Who remembers "I'll drive Dunk to Fulham myself for £5 million"?

Absolutely spot on, and for the Albion we have to find the superstars of the future before they are famous. We cannot compete for the finished articles we have to be good at spotting talent on the way up and we do a pretty reasonable job of it at the moment.

I cannot see Fab getting poached even if we do manage to secure European football next season as I think his youth and inexperience will deter higher level suitors. Having some continuity at the managerial position would be nice for a change.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I don't think this is unfair at all. People just didn't seem to understand that we hired a Coach like FH because we want him to grow and develop with us, just like with the young players. When you hire a Coach that is approaching the finished article (RDZ), they don't tend to hang around for long!

One thing I have really noticed about people in this country in recent years (and I don't know if it is just people in this country, or people everywhere) is that they really don't like the idea that people can get better at stuff. It's always 'We need to replace this person' rather than give them the time to learn their trade and improve over time.

If NSC as a collective had its way then over the years we would have got rid of the majority of our successful employees a long time before they came good. Who remembers "I'll drive Dunk to Fulham myself for £5 million"?

But none of that makes him (or made him) the worst coach/manager in the league. I completely agree with you – and this club provides probably as good a proving ground as any for letting people develop – but it's clear that some people think they have a better understanding of the inner workings of the club or the decisions that are made and why they are made.

That's fine, people are entitled to those opinions. I just find it odd when they double down when either called out on such nonsense or reminded of it down the line when it hasn't worked out like they said.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I don't think this is unfair at all. People just didn't seem to understand that we hired a Coach like FH because we want him to grow and develop with us, just like with the young players. When you hire a Coach that is approaching the finished article (RDZ), they don't tend to hang around for long!

One thing I have really noticed about people in this country in recent years (and I don't know if it is just people in this country, or people everywhere) is that they really don't like the idea that people can get better at stuff. It's always 'We need to replace this person' rather than give them the time to learn their trade and improve over time.

If NSC as a collective had its way then over the years we would have got rid of the majority of our successful employees a long time before they came good. Who remembers "I'll drive Dunk to Fulham myself for £5 million"?

And more recently if you watch Brighton you'll have seen dozens and dozens of young players come in, look a bit undercooked then improve dramatically in quite a short space of time.

It's not the biggest leap that this could apply to a manager as well.

But there was never a time when FH was the worst manager, even with his inexperience. We've been in the top half all season, with an injury hit squad and 7 players 23 or younger pretty much every game.

 

[chaileyjem]

Has March picked up another 'slight knock' since sitting on the bench on Saturday then?

Not according to the press conference. FH said March was available on Tuesday as an option.

 

[GT49er]

Not according to the press conference. FH said March was available on Tuesday as an option.

Good. I was just wondering if the poster I was replying to - who listed March as one of the senior players out - had heard anything we (or me anyway) hadn't.

 

[chaileyjem]

Good. I was just wondering if the poster I was replying to - who listed March as one of the senior players out - had heard anything we (or me anyway) hadn't.

i think he just meant that March was unlikely to be a starter - hence starting line up age would be younger than normal.
Welbeck and Veltman he didn't 100% rule out. Said he would know after training today. but wouldn't take risks given the match on Sunday

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/pages/en/media-video/hurzelers-bournemouth-press-conference

 

[Han Solo]

But none of that makes him (or made him) the worst coach/manager in the league. I completely agree with you – and this club provides probably as good a proving ground as any for letting people develop – but it's clear that some people think they have a better understanding of the inner workings of the club or the decisions that are made and why they are made.

That's fine, people are entitled to those opinions. I just find it odd when they double down when either called out on such nonsense or reminded of it down the line when it hasn't worked out like they said.

So who are all these managers in the league that supposedly are worse than the manager more than 70% of NSC wanted sacked 3 weeks ago? How many of them have accomplished less throughout their careers? Gathered less experience/knowledge? How many managers in the Premier League are green and naive enough in their ideas to see a single player score 4 goals against them, or let in 7 goals against Nottingham?

My takes in November:
- Hurzeler is not the best manager in the league; he is one of the worst - naturally. If you do a profession at the highest level for 5, 10 or 15 years, you KNOW more than if you've worked for 4-5 months at the highest level. How this can be so difficult to grasp, I can't really tell.
- "We're 2nd? now but we are going to finish somewhere between 8th-12th", because our football wasn't nearly as good as our results.
- "Fabian was signed for his potential to be one of the best managers in the world."

Obviously this was met with reactions like this:

I think most people bar the really tinted spec crew would agree with that. The one of the worst managers in the league bit though is mental

...which a few months later often sounded like this:

New manager for me. Challenging the establishment means horseshit home games every week. Potterball+

And now after winning two league games since we were stomped 7-0, its yet again time for "lololol you said Hurz is one of the worst managers in the league", which I guess will last until our young and inconsistent manager and squad step on a mine again, which will happen.

Its very easy to ridicule people's firm thought-through perspectives when all they have themselves are instinctive kneejerk reactions based on whatever emotion the last one or two games created.

 

[Driver 8]

Veltman out for several weeks according to AN. Foot injury.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

So who are all these managers in the league that supposedly are worse than the manager more than 70% of NSC wanted sacked 3 weeks ago? How many of them have accomplished less throughout their careers? Gathered less experience/knowledge? How many managers in the Premier League are green and naive enough in their ideas to see a single player score 4 goals against them, or let in 7 goals against Nottingham?

My takes in November:
- Hurzeler is not the best manager in the league; he is one of the worst - naturally. If you do a profession at the highest level for 5, 10 or 15 years, you KNOW more than if you've worked for 4-5 months at the highest level. How this can be so difficult to grasp, I can't really tell.
- "We're 2nd? now but we are going to finish somewhere between 8th-12th", because our football wasn't nearly as good as our results.
- "Fabian was signed for his potential to be one of the best managers in the world."

Obviously this was met with reactions like this:


...which a few months later often sounded like this:



And now after winning two league games since we were stomped 7-0, its yet again time for "lololol you said Hurz is one of the worst managers in the league", which I guess will last until our young and inconsistent manager and squad step on a mine again, which will happen.

Its very easy to ridicule people's firm thought-through perspectives when all they have themselves are instinctive kneejerk reactions based on whatever emotion the last one or two games created.

Well the worst manager in the league has us sat at 9th in the table …. Now if this were Potter you’d be raiding the tissue box.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

i think he just meant that March was unlikely to be a starter - hence starting line up age would be younger than normal.
Welbeck and Veltman he didn't 100% rule out. Said he would know after training today. but wouldn't take risks given the match on Saturday.

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.com/pages/en/media-video/hurzelers-bournemouth-press-conference

Saturday??

 

[Han Solo]

Well the worst manager in the league has us sat at 9th in the table ….

Yup! Which is fantastic!

Many tactical mistakes from the manager, many rookie mistakes from the players - yet 9th. Really shows the amazing ceiling in our team and staff. With the technical ability in our squad we could win the league in three seasons with barely doing a signing.

That doesn't change that I'm quite convinced the vast majority of managers in this league at present would have us on more points or at least playing better football (because we haven't really been all that good until the last few games, even when winning).

Really looking forward to the rest of this season but maybe even more so the next one, when Fabian will have a better grasp of what is impossible (playing like we did against Chelsea in the autumn or like Nottingham recently) in this league, which is a requirement if you don't want the "one of the worst managers in the league" label from me.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Yup! Which is fantastic!

Many tactical mistakes from the manager, many rookie mistakes from the players - yet 9th. Really shows the amazing ceiling in our team and staff. With the technical ability in our squad we could win the league in three seasons with barely doing a signing.

That doesn't change that I'm quite convinced the vast majority of managers in this league at present would have us on more points or at least playing better football (because we haven't really been all that good until the last few games, even when winning).

Really looking forward to the rest of this season but maybe even more so the next one, when Fabian will have a better grasp of what is impossible (playing like we did against Chelsea in the autumn or like Nottingham recently) in this league, which is a requirement if you don't want the "one of the worst managers in the league" label from me.

Well I reckon he would have done better than one GP ……

You’re dislike of FH is only matched by your love of GP ….