[Albion] Fab out?

[Bodian]

Tonight was really promising. We looked like a proper team for the first time all season at home, across 90 whole minutes. Criticism of him has been entirely fair, in my opinion, and will be fair again if he resorts to what he was doing up until Forest. But maybe he’s turned a corner - if so, I’d be more than happy to change my opinion. It’s now about showing this style, plan and tactical set up over a period of games to give us the best chance of progressing.

One change between Forest and Chelsea Cup Game

One (enforced) change between Chelsea Cup and League games

Whether that is Fab realising it might be good to have a settled side, or whether it's because he's at last been able to, I don't know - but I feel it's important.

 

[SlickHenry]

But what areas are you developing in at Premier League level as a manager? Your tactical ideas? Your coaching methods? Your ability to develop players? Your ability to deal with the media?

If you’re still a ‘manager with potential’ surely you should be refining that ability further down the pyramid?

Pretty much every area. FH has come from an incredible season in BL2 with St Pauli. He was signed for his potential that he was able to win that league playing exciting attacking football that is a fit for how the club want us to play.

If you watched the last few games we have played very differently each game because he has adapted the shape of the team and their tactics. This is something he is still learning as a very young manager who is very new to the league and fine tuning his ideas. Not really sure how you don't understand this.

Top managers like Pep and Ancelotti have been doing it for years but I don't think either of them are likely to come to Brighton so am not really sure who you think we should be replacing FH with? Sean Dyche? He's at his peak and is an established PL manager by your definition.

 

[SlickHenry]

One change between Forest and Chelsea Cup Game

One (enforced) change between Chelsea Cup and League games

Whether that is Fab realising it might be good to have a settled side, or whether it's because he's at last been able to, I don't know - but I feel it's important.

But we played very differently tonight compared to Saturday. The formation was pretty different too and we had far less of the ball this evening.

 

[Machiavelli]

Has he gone yet?

I've rewinded Friday Night Football and he's on it being interviewed. Still, someone I know who is in the know has told me that he's off to see Tony after that, and he's seen a P45 hanging around.

 

[Cotton Socks]

FAB OUT!!!! He's been here 6 months now, should've had it all sorted 3 months ago. Mitoma should've gone to Saudi, as we were offered such big money. Mitoma seems like he'd have loved playing in Saudi. Minteh 'meh'. Welbeck is just a sick note and too old, Fab is too young & has sorted his hair out. Time for them all to go!!! Oh & sack the board & get some new owners in. Just not good enough!

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

One change between Forest and Chelsea Cup Game

One (enforced) change between Chelsea Cup and League games

Whether that is Fab realising it might be good to have a settled side, or whether it's because he's at last been able to, I don't know - but I feel it's important.

It’s not the personnel, it’s how they’re set up that’s changed.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Pretty much every area. FH has come from an incredible season in BL2 with St Pauli. He was signed for his potential that he was able to win that league playing exciting attacking football that is a fit for how the club want us to play.

If you watched the last few games we have played very differently each game because he has adapted the shape of the team and their tactics. This is something he is still learning as a very young manager who is very new to the league and fine tuning his ideas. Not really sure how you don't understand this.

Top managers like Pep and Anchelotti have been doing it for years but I don't think either of them are likely to come to Brighton so am not really sure who you think we should be replacing FH with? Sean Dyche? He's at his peak and is an established PL manager by your definition.

Overlooking your patronising tone, I’ve been to all home league games this year except for Spurs.

We’ve had pretty much the same set up in every home game this year, without any real change in tactical shape, our defensive line, how we press or how we play without a midfield.

Today was the first time he’s made a concerted change in a home league game to make us more defensively secure and balance the side out, and it’s the first time we’ve put together 90 minutes.

I don’t know how you can’t grasp that.

 

[SlickHenry]

Overlooking your patronising tone, I’ve been to all home league games this year except for Spurs.

We’ve had pretty much the same set up in every home game this year, without any real change in tactical shape, our defensive line, how we press or how we play without a midfield.

Today was the first time he’s made a concerted change in a home league game to make us more defensively secure and balance the side out, and it’s the first time we’ve put together 90 minutes.

I don’t know how you can’t grasp that.

I didn't mean to be patronising so apologies if it came across that way. I don't understand your insistence that we should be and are able to hire an established premier league manager and if he is still learning he isn't fit for the PL. I can't recall us ever having hired a manager like this in the PL era.

I don't think it's a case of just turning a corner. Pretty confident there will be more setbacks but the important thing is to be patient and give him time to learn and develop the team. PEACE

 

[A1X]

IN for me

 

[Greg Bobkin]

We’ve played some great teams since we got promoted and never capitulated like we did today. He’s got to go. There is no way back from this.

No?

 

[Mancgull]

What I have found impressive is his response from the Forest defeat. He was so calm in the pre game presser for the Chelsea cup game and in both his interviews after our two wins.
Dampens down any over reaction and therefore positions the 7-0 loss for what it was.

 

[Commander]

I disagree. Nuts is being Fab In before Forest, Fab Out after, Fab back In after last weeks win. That’s nuts.
My reasoning is perfectly rational and as I said in the above post, based on what I’ve seen over the whole season. Not worth repeating it as it’s all been posted. I said at the very beginning of his time here that this season would likely be a bit of a writeoff. And that the real evidence of his impact would be seen from about Easter. I stand by that.
I don’t think he’s a world beater because we’ve turned over Chelsea twice, just as I didn’t think he went from the best young manager in the game to the worst pre and post Forest. I’m still to be convinced that he will have enough to do more than he currently is- ie oversee some great results but also some shockers. It isn’t unfair to say that’s the first league game we played for the entire 90.
Let’s see how it goes over the next few weeks. As I said, I would love us to consistently show the kind of levels we did tonight over the rest of the season, and as I’ve said over the last few weeks I care about that more than results right now.
Anyway that’s my lot on it tonight, it’s Valentines and love is the best.

I think the fact that you use the term ‘world beater’ explains what your issue is.

If you expect a ‘world beater’ at Brighton & Hove Albion then I’m afraid you are supporting the wrong club.

And on the rare occasion someone at that level does come into our club, they don’t stay very long.

 

[Commander]

But what areas are you developing in at Premier League level as a manager? Your tactical ideas? Your coaching methods? Your ability to develop players? Your ability to deal with the media?

If you’re still a ‘manager with potential’ surely you should be refining that ability further down the pyramid?

Unbelievable. Don’t even know how to respond. You just don’t get it, so there is no point.

 

[GloryDays]

Very impressed with the defensive performance yesterday. We had no qualms putting it out for a corner, we sat deep and soaked up pressure etc.

Also the bottle to play long ball. Love it.

But beating teams like Chelsea has never really been our problem. Soton soon will be the real test. Have we worked out how to win with the majority of the ball?

 

[JBizzle]

It’s not the personnel, it’s how they’re set up that’s changed.

How they're set up is driven by personnel, to a degree

 

[Coldeanseagull]

After the last two games, I'm willing to let Fab see out the season. Bearing in mind, both games were only against chelsea....so the juries still on retainer

 

[nickjhs]

I didn't mean to be patronising so apologies if it came across that way. I don't understand your insistence that we should be and are able to hire an established premier league manager and if he is still learning he isn't fit for the PL. I can't recall us ever having hired a manager like this in the PL era.

I don't think it's a case of just turning a corner. Pretty confident there will be more setbacks but the important thing is to be patient and give him time to learn and develop the team. PEACE

I don't think you were in the slightest bit patronising. You make a bloody good point against incredibly rash, and somewhat childish thoughts from some very over entitled "fans". We had the same shite with Potter. Fab is doing a bloody brilliant job adjusting himself and a young, talented but inexperienced side to the realities of the PL. FFS we are 8th, have won 5 out of our last 7 games which include 2 against Chelsea and completing the double over Utd. I guess it is this kind of whingeing that gives us poms a bad name here

 

[JBizzle]

But what areas are you developing in at Premier League level as a manager? Your tactical ideas? Your coaching methods? Your ability to develop players? Your ability to deal with the media?

If you’re still a ‘manager with potential’ surely you should be refining that ability further down the pyramid?

All of them. No manager in the Premier League isn't developing those things, even now.

Do you think they aren't always trying to find new tactical ideas and innovations? Improve your coaching? Trying to develop players better? I'm less fussed about dealing with media. If the answer is "no" to any of them, they wouldn't be suitable at any level.

It's such an insane hill to die on, I don't really know where to start.

 

[nickjhs]

But what areas are you developing in at Premier League level as a manager? Your tactical ideas? Your coaching methods? Your ability to develop players? Your ability to deal with the media?

If you’re still a ‘manager with potential’ surely you should be refining that ability further down the pyramid?

This has to be one of the most asinine comments I have read for a long time.

 

[dazzer6666]

But what areas are you developing in at Premier League level as a manager? Your tactical ideas? Your coaching methods? Your ability to develop players? Your ability to deal with the media?

If you’re still a ‘manager with potential’ surely you should be refining that ability further down the pyramid?

Ah ok, so Pep isn’t learning anything as he’s the complete, finished article ?