[Politics] Extinction Rebellion protester grounds plane at London City...

[Hastings gull]

Labour directly cited XR protests earlier in the year when the government declared a climate emergency so they can’t be doing that bad of a job

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/climate-change-emergency-labour-vote-extinction-rebellion-502988

I could not open the link -might be the case for others, but just might be my computer. All very well, but on its own that phrase is really quite meaningless.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I could not open the link -might be the case for others, but just might be my computer. All very well, but on its own that phrase is really quite meaningless.

Could be me on my phone tbf. I’m a bit useless on NSC when using my phone

 

[highflyer]

It's not all been sitting on planes and disrupting traffic.

Earlier this week Extinction Rebellion brought hundreds of saplings to Parliament. Each had the name of an MP attached - and MPs were invited to collect their trees and pledge support for increased reforestation across the UK.

Over 400 MPs collected their trees.

I thought that was nice, albeit, I am sure 'middle class virtue signalling' in some eyes.

https://rebellion.earth/2019/10/10/...alling-for-billions-more-trees-to-be-planted/

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I could not open the link -might be the case for others, but just might be my computer. All very well, but on its own that phrase is really quite meaningless.

Try this one;

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/climate-change-emergency-labour-vote-extinction-rebellion-502988

There's also this as well...

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-27...or-parliament-to-declare-a-climate-emergency/

 

[Machiavelli]

Saw this tweet and thought it was spot on

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Excellent. There's an awful lot of ad hominem arguments going on on this thread, so well done for finding this.

 

[Hastings gull]

It's not all been sitting on planes and disrupting traffic.

Earlier this week Extinction Rebellion brought hundreds of saplings to Parliament. Each had the name of an MP attached - and MPs were invited to collect their trees and pledge support for increased reforestation across the UK.

Over 400 MPs collected their trees.

I thought that was nice, albeit, I am sure 'middle class virtue signalling' in some eyes.

https://rebellion.earth/2019/10/10/...alling-for-billions-more-trees-to-be-planted/

Now this strikes me as being a very sensible way of getting your message across -it is poignant, well-thought-out, restrained and gets publicity. No one could really object to that, and no one is disrupted. Surely this is a far more effective course of action, likely to endear them to public opinion.

 

[Hastings gull]

Try this one;

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/climate-change-emergency-labour-vote-extinction-rebellion-502988

There's also this as well...

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-27...or-parliament-to-declare-a-climate-emergency/

Thanks. Bottom one worked a treat. I am not sure what to make of this teenager. Yes - gutsy, determined, principled, thinking of her generation etc but can also see that folk could well be turned off by being lectured to by someone so young, who has not experienced much of life.

 

[Machiavelli]

But so are you! If the people will not turn their anger on politicians now, then it is extremely unlikely that they will blame politicians for the antics of the crusties. Boris calls them that because he knows that most folk would come up with similar descriptions of them, even those same folk would share the crusties' concern over climate change. Thinking of the campaign for falmer -it was vocal, always in the public eye, but always dignified and restrained; would permission have been granted earlier for Falmer, had hundreds of fans blockaded Brighton and prevented thousands of folk from going about their daily business? If you wish your campaign to prevail, then you must carry the majority with you, and that is the big error the crusties are making.

Extremely disappointing for you and your deep conservative mindset is that as a result of XR, Greta, school strikes, etc:
-- the UK government announced a commitment to zero carbon emissions by 2050
-- the Labour Party has set 2030 as their target, and adopted the Green New Deal
-- public polling has not only increased the % wanting it to be addressed urgently, but also it has become a more prominent issue within the rankings

 

[Hastings gull]

Extremely disappointing for you and your deep conservative mindset is that as a result of XR, Greta, school strikes, etc:
-- the UK government announced a commitment to zero carbon emissions by 2050
-- the Labour Party has set 2030 as their target, and adopted the Green New Deal
-- public polling has not only increased the % wanting it to be addressed urgently, but also it has become a more prominent issue within the rankings

Oh how the naïve fall for it. Campaigns for action against climate change have been going on for years/decades -are you too young to remember the switch to leaded-free petrol in the 80s. Do you really think that school strikes have all of a sudden accelerated matters? And given that the government has set 2050 as their target, do you really think that labour's target of 2030 was not a case of political opportunism? Once you bring in a dig about political affiliations, then you give the game away.

Get away from party politics and then we might just manage to effect action, that will benefit mankind, but all the while political fanatics try to put one over another, then that action will be diverted and/or delayed. We are all in this together.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Lazy lazy stuff.

I think you are better than that.

Maybe it is lazy. I was at the big anti nuclear march in 1980/1 (forget exactly which year). I thought it was brilliant. Widespread press mockery followed by another election win for Thatcher. I felt sad and cheated.

I don't think these street protests do anything useful. It makes people feel empowered and virtuous (or self rightous - and I am thinking now about the BNP types marching about and intimidating people - facists have the right to protest too). I just don't think it helps.

Anyway, I didn't like swampy 20 years ago and I was not pleased to see his mug in the media again.

All the best.

 

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It's not all been sitting on planes and disrupting traffic.

Earlier this week Extinction Rebellion brought hundreds of saplings to Parliament. Each had the name of an MP attached - and MPs were invited to collect their trees and pledge support for increased reforestation across the UK.

Over 400 MPs collected their trees.

I thought that was nice, albeit, I am sure 'middle class virtue signalling' in some eyes.

https://rebellion.earth/2019/10/10/...alling-for-billions-more-trees-to-be-planted/

Nice, agreed. We have a farmer in our parish that has planted literally thousands of trees and miles of hedges over the last few years. But he is a dairy farmer and therefore no doubt despised by ER

 

[highflyer]

Now this strikes me as being a very sensible way of getting your message across -it is poignant, well-thought-out, restrained and gets publicity. No one could really object to that, and no one is disrupted. Surely this is a far more effective course of action, likely to endear them to public opinion.

Indeed, if only this alone was enough. But how many headlines did it make?
That, unfortunately, is the reality.

 

[highflyer]

Nice, agreed. We have a farmer in our parish that has planted literally thousands of trees and miles of hedges over the last few years. But he is a dairy farmer and therefore no doubt despised by ER

In the main, XR doesn't really do 'despising' people.

It might do annoying, and disrupting and (some might say) condescending.

But not despising. That kind of language is more of an NSC thing.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Get away from party politics and then we might just manage to effect action, that will benefit mankind, but all the while political fanatics try to put one over another, then that action will be diverted and/or delayed. We are all in this together.

I think government can be a powerful agent for change when it comes to green issues, particularly in regard to the carrot and stick approach to taxation, provision of grants for green projects, refusing planning permission for projects that pollute. But there is so much more they can do, particularly on the national coordination of recycling which seems to vary from council to council. People should be politicising green issues to force parties to be bolder and more creative in their thinking.

 

[Lower West Stander]

Maybe it is lazy. I was at the big anti nuclear march in 1980/1 (forget exactly which year). I thought it was brilliant. Widespread press mockery followed by another election win for Thatcher. I felt sad and cheated.

I don't think these street protests do anything useful. It makes people feel empowered and virtuous (or self rightous - and I am thinking now about the BNP types marching about and intimidating people - facists have the right to protest too). I just don't think it helps.

Anyway, I didn't like swampy 20 years ago and I was not pleased to see his mug in the media again.

All the best.

Agree.

They are a pain the backside and endeared themselves to no one blocking the road outside St Paul’s today. The language from a cabbie when a woman walked right in front of him doling out leaflets was industrial to say the least.

I just don’t think pissing people off achieves anything. There was no one empathising with them today..


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[Machiavelli]

Oh how the naïve fall for it. Campaigns for action against climate change have been going on for years/decades -are you too young to remember the switch to leaded-free petrol in the 80s. Do you really think that school strikes have all of a sudden accelerated matters? And given that the government has set 2050 as their target, do you really think that labour's target of 2030 was not a case of political opportunism? Once you bring in a dig about political affiliations, then you give the game away.

Get away from party politics and then we might just manage to effect action, that will benefit mankind, but all the while political fanatics try to put one over another, then that action will be diverted and/or delayed. We are all in this together.

Apologies for being so naive, old wise one. How many of these demos have you been on that have been so high profile over decades? I've been on a fair few of them, and they've been sparsely attended. You ought to frequent yourself with The Argus live reporting on the school strike at the end of the month and you might find that you're speaking drivel.
And we've now moved on from the simple Tory-Labour binary that you still seem so attached to. You're just upset that the British have revived their long history of protest and that more and more people are recognising that the most crucial thing about democracy is that right to association and protest, which constitutes a radical departure from Putin's world, which is where you'd much rather be.

 

[clapham_gull]

Agree.

They are a pain the backside and endeared themselves to no one blocking the road outside St Paul’s today. The language from a cabbie when a woman walked right in front of him doling out leaflets was industrial to say the least.

I just don’t think pissing people off achieves anything. There was no one empathising with them today..


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Without given an opinion on whether they are "right" or "wrong" this was the same argument the ex-Millwall owning pen salesman on Question Time was making last night.

However, unlike most demonstrations this group won't give a stuff whether people empathise with them or not. They are not campaigning for themselves, they are campaigning about the environment.

However much nuisance they cause, people aren't going to start campaigning in retaliation for supermarkets to re-introduce plastic bags. I'm sure many people are complaining about they are doing it, but very little are complaining about "why".

It's an incredibly successful campaign because most companies and most people are starting to think the planet. Everyone knows now (at least) that getting on a plane isn't that great even if they continue to do so.

If was one of them, I'd think job done.

 

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If was one of them, I'd think job done.

Agree and therefore they should stop the demonstrations now rather than endanger what they have achieved, and move on to a balanced, reasoned and non political debate about what to do to combat climate change.

 

[RossyG]

Nope they are still there.

FFS DON'T THEY HAVE JOBS TO GO TO

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No, that's the activist wing of Mumsnet. Pose for the photo op, do a few selfies for Facebook, then all down to Pret for a crayfish and avocado sandwich.

 

[Hastings gull]

Apologies for being so naive, old wise one. How many of these demos have you been on that have been so high profile over decades? I've been on a fair few of them, and they've been sparsely attended. You ought to frequent yourself with The Argus live reporting on the school strike at the end of the month and you might find that you're speaking drivel.
And we've now moved on from the simple Tory-Labour binary that you still seem so attached to. You're just upset that the British have revived their long history of protest and that more and more people are recognising that the most crucial thing about democracy is that right to association and protest, which constitutes a radical departure from Putin's world, which is where you'd much rather be.

Precisely as I expected. having worked with teenagers for 40 years, I know that the vast majority have little interest in politics and see a good chance of a day off. whilst in the park here on that afternoon, I chanced upon a group who had been to the demo, and were hiding away, so as to have the whole day off. Ok -as a kid, I would have done the same, perhaps, but what annoyed me was that on my walk back, I had to clear up the mess they left. Had the demo been planned for Saturday, then we both know that the numbers would have been far lower, so please don't give me righteous rubbish about how the young are so motivated. Doubtless, some are
And as to your last para -well, I suppose by then you had worked yourself up into a frenzy or you have been drinking. What on earth are you talking about? I do not like people disrupting the lives of others, and you jump on board to talk about Putin etc. Unbelievable. Of course people should protest, which is their every right, but if you keep it dignified and restrained, you have a far greater chance of influencing others. Clearly that is too hard for political fanatics to comprehend.