[Albion] Evan Ferguson

[Marshy]

Players always think they are ready before they are. Potter got it pretty much spot on with Caicedo really, as he has with pretty much all of our young players.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Players always think they are ready before they are. Potter got it pretty much spot on with Caicedo really, as he has with pretty much all of our young players.

I can't agree. That loan to the bottom team in Belgium was a complete waste of his time. We should have bought him through earlier. Very easy to say with hindsight of course, but that's the point, if you don't play them, you don't find out

 

[Swansman]

We're just not culturally attuned to it in this country. Yet, we see top sides on the continent, Dortmund, Ajax, Barca, Bayern, plus more progressive European national sides, happy to entrust enormous games to players aged 17 or 18.

Part of it is the physicality thing, but that's insulting to other leagues. More likely it's inate conservatism, a national aversion to something untried, an unhealthy love of short termism.

Graham Potter was far from the worst. But Caicedo came out again in an interview recently with a comment that he felt he waited too long and I think there are one or two others who were held back too long.

My post was less an opinion I have about Potter, it's a guess I have for the future. We'll recruit a new head coach on the basis of someone who can show they can develop players and that coach, if we're on a run like we were last season where we couldn't score for months on end, won't be nearly as shy of playing Evan or any other young player who's scoring regularly at u23 rather than continually rely on the senior players who aren't repaying his faith.

I don't think a lot of PL coaches would try to solve a goal scoring problem though putting a recently-turned-17-year-old in the starting eleven. It reeks of desperation and is not very fair to the player to put that kind of pressure on him that early. Miss a "sitter" or two and he'll have a couple of hundred Solid at the backs sending him angry CAPS LOCK messages on Instagram telling him to **** off and die.

 

[Commander]

Part of it is the physicality thing, but that's insulting to other leagues. More likely it's inate conservatism, a national aversion to something untried, an unhealthy love of short termism.

I'd say it's the absolute opposite. That we've learnt the lessons of throwing players in at that age and having their careers cut short by 10 years when their bodies can't take it anymore. It's long-term thinking, not short-term thinking.

 

[CheeseRolls]

I can't agree. That loan to the bottom team in Belgium was a complete waste of his time. We should have bought him through earlier. Very easy to say with hindsight of course, but that's the point, if you don't play them, you don't find out

Did you watch any of his games in the U23s? I have to say he looked decent, but not ready, or anything like the player who made such a huge impact on his return.

 

[Swansman]

I can't agree. That loan to the bottom team in Belgium was a complete waste of his time. We should have bought him through earlier. Very easy to say with hindsight of course, but that's the point, if you don't play them, you don't find out

In what way was it a waste of time? Played every week, learnt English, got accustomed to European football. What do you expect from a loan?

He said yesterday that "I would have loved to debut earlier, but I think that was the right time."

Yeah I wouldn't have minded to see him a bit earlier but there are consequences to playing players when they're not ready. Your way of "throw 'em in and we'll see if it works" might be a way to do it on Football Manager, but reality is more complex.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I can't agree. That loan to the bottom team in Belgium was a complete waste of his time. We should have bought him through earlier. Very easy to say with hindsight of course, but that's the point, if you don't play them, you don't find out

Hindsight is everything in your argument

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I don't think a lot of PL coaches would try to solve a goal scoring problem though putting a recently-turned-17-year-old in the starting eleven. It reeks of desperation and is not very fair to the player to put that kind of pressure on him that early. Miss a "sitter" or two and he'll have a couple of hundred Solid at the backs sending him angry CAPS LOCK messages on Instagram telling him to **** off and die.

There are always reasons to carry on doing things the way you've always done them. Potter started out quite brave. Sanchez for Ryan etc, but started playing things more safely after a couple of years. Too safely in some cases. I know that your worker ant like desire to mount a defence of your hero is rushing to the surface, maybe we'll just disagree on this one.

And Spain might win or lose a world cup final with 2 x 18 year olds in their midfield. I guess there's a risk those lads might get negativity online as well, if they fluff something up which costs them the tournament. But I don't see much clamour for them to be eased in more slowly.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Did you watch any of his games in the U23s? I have to say he looked decent, but not ready, or anything like the player who made such a huge impact on his return.

And probably wouldn't have been. With every young player you're investing in them in every minute they get. Caicedo has paid this back already but normally it's more like Bissouma, inconsistency at first.

In any case. My point isn't the recent past. There's lots of threads for that. It's more, that I predict players who hadn't anticipated significant PL minutes this season, will have a better chance under a new manager. Someone new to the club who wants to have a proper look at the players here. I think the same for Enciso and Sarmiento as well.

 

[Swansman]

There are always reasons to carry on doing things the way you've always done them. Potter started out quite brave. Sanchez for Ryan etc, but started playing things more safely after a couple of years. Too safely in some cases. I know that your worker ant like desire to mount a defence of your hero is rushing to the surface, maybe we'll just disagree on this one.

And Spain might win or lose a world cup final with 2 x 18 year olds in their midfield. I guess there's a risk those lads might get negativity online as well, if they fluff something up which costs them the tournament. But I don't see much clamour for them to be eased in more slowly.

Well, there appears to be no one else agreeing with you that the team should be picked based on how it works in Football Manager.

Not a lot of clamour for that here no... most likely because no one here gives a shit about the Spanish national team. And generally speaking, people love to watch the rise of a young new player almost as much as they love to watch their downfall a year or two later. It doesn't make it the right decision to play them unless they're ready.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Well, there appears to be no one else agreeing with you that the team should be picked based on how it works in Football Manager.

Not a lot of clamour for that here no... most likely because no one here gives a shit about the Spanish national team. And generally speaking, people love to watch the rise of a young new player almost as much as they love to watch their downfall a year or two later. It doesn't make it the right decision to play them unless they're ready.

I'm sure you and others here aren't as insular as you're making them out. OK then another example, a bit closer to home

Bellingham tore it up in the CL last night. Moved to Dortmund to play top level football? why, he would never get a chance in the PL, let alone CL at 17 or 18. Musiala similar situation. Sancho as well. They were all spot on with their decision making. UK fans and managers are culturally are averse to believing young players can make the step up .... until they do.

And the football manager comments betray someone very unsure of their ground in this debate

 

[Marshy]

I can't agree. That loan to the bottom team in Belgium was a complete waste of his time. We should have bought him through earlier. Very easy to say with hindsight of course, but that's the point, if you don't play them, you don't find out

thats the point he was playing and gaining experience. Indeed, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

throw him in early and he has a bad game or 2 and your lost again for 6 months, some never recover.

 

[S'hampton Seagull]

Just scored for Ireland U21

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[Mancgull]

Thought Andrew Moran may have started for the Ireland U21s but doesn’t seem so.
Great that Evan has scored.

 

[Swansman]

Just scored for Ireland U21

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[pornomagboy]

has played really well holds the ball up so well

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[pornomagboy]

ireland should have had pen Israel down to 10 men

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[Sarisbury Seagull]

Bearing in mind the quality of their senior squad, I’m actually quite surprised he’s not been called up to play for them.

I’m sure JRG will be along shortly to correct me on that.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Any sign of Connolly?

 

[Swansman]

Bearing in mind the quality of their senior squad, I’m actually quite surprised he’s not been called up to play for them.

I’m sure JRG will be along shortly to correct me on that.

He'll give you a list of Irish alleged world class players.

Wales became a lot better when they accepted that a youth player in a good team could be a lot better than some average League Two player. Maybe something for Ireland to consider.