[Football] Euros 2024 - Round of 16 (England vs Slovakia & Spain vs Georgia)

[Herr Tubthumper]

Our problem in the past was we were niave and conceeded stupid goals and had bad discipline (ala Beckham/Rooney red cards) Southgate has fixed that, we are hard to beat, it isn't pretty but it's better than before

This statement needs some context. England are hard to beat in the main, but due to England's seeding most/all of the teams England play in qualifying and group stages are ranked lower. One would expect any team to, generally, do better against lower ranked teams. Where England repeatedly come unstuck is when they start playing better teams in knock-out stages.

This said, we are both are enjoying this tournament, albeit for quite different reasons. This is all that really matters so I'm going to leave this here.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

But if almost every manager before him has underacheived then it's surely more than just the manager?

You're right it's the whole set up. Just look at the coaching staff. The best any have done is coach Chelsea U21's. Southgate took his team down. They combined have won zilch. They are not winners. These players are used to being coached by the best, turn up for England and coached by third rate coaches. Their style of play is outdated, Southgate hasn't moved on since he relegated Middlesbrough. They need to bring in some new people who know how the game has changed.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Beat Paraguay in Mexico 1986 as well, and Denmark in Japan 2002.

I reckon the thing @Thunder Bolt may have heard is in relation to the Euros? That is - if you count home and away wins in 1968 against Spain in the quarter-finals as 'knock-out'. Don't think we've won any others?

Or maybe - only the second straight knock-out win away from Wembley under Southgate? The only two we've won before were in Russia, and one of those was on penalties.

It sounds possible but there was no context around the statement which is why I queried it here. I knew Nsc would know.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

just to put things in perspective when Southgate last managed in the top league we had Slade as manager playing at Withdean. Just that alone cast your memory back to the style of football being played by the top teams. Then look how Southgate wants England to play.

Laughing last night Southgate said Toney was angry being sent on with 2 minutes to go but may have forgiven him. If I was Toney I'd be in his face afterwards saying if I'd been on earlier we'd have won it easy. Southgate thought it was funny, prick.

 

[Bodian]

Guardian - Barney Ronay

 

[Randy McNob]

This statement needs some context. England are hard to beat in the main, but due to England's seeding most/all of the teams England play in qualifying and group stages are ranked lower. One would expect any team to, generally, do better against lower ranked teams. Where England repeatedly come unstuck is when they start playing better teams in knock-out stages.

This said, we are both are enjoying this tournament, albeit for quite different reasons. This is all that really matters so I'm going to leave this here.

OK then let's do a deal. If we beat Switzerland, irrespective of how we win, your post match inputs will be all or mostly positive?

 

[Randy McNob]

Laughing last night Southgate said Toney was angry being sent on with 2 minutes to go but may have forgiven him. If I was Toney I'd be in his face afterwards saying if I'd been on earlier we'd have won it easy. Southgate thought it was funny, prick.

Utterly ridiculous comment

He brought on Toney for extra time fresh legs AND he is an excellent penalty taker. AND he assisted the winning goal. To criticise that substitution is deranged

 

[Driver8]

Utterly ridiculous comment

He brought on Toney for extra time fresh legs AND he is an excellent penalty taker. AND he assisted the winning goal. To criticise that substitution is deranged

We were losing at the time.

 

[AlexBH]

Utterly ridiculous comment

He brought on Toney for extra time fresh legs AND he is an excellent penalty taker. AND he assisted the winning goal. To criticise that substitution is deranged

Toney was subbed on when we were losing in added time. So to say he was on for extra time and penalties doesn’t make sense.

 

[Randy McNob]

compare and contrast...Italia '90. General consensus was our boys were heros and Bobby Robson was a genius.

However, let's assess the performances

Match 1: v Ireland, score 1-1, performance: rubbish
Match 2: v Netherlands, score 0-0, performance: rubbish
Match 3: v Egypt, score 1-0, performance: rubbish
Match 4: v Belgium, score 1-0, performance: so-so, one moment of brilliance from Platt
Match 5: v Cameroon, score 3-2, performance: totally outplayed but opponents imploded and gave us 2 cheap penalties
Match 6: v Germany, Score 1-1, Performance: Much improved but ultimately not good enough

Everyone regards it as a succesfull tournament but in the main, we were crap

 

[Bodian]

compare and contrast...Italia '90. General consensus was our boys were heros and Bobby Robson was a genius.

However, let's assess the performances

Match 1: v Ireland, score 1-1, performance: rubbish
Match 2: v Netherlands, score 0-0, performance: rubbish
Match 3: v Egypt, score 1-0, performance: rubbish
Match 4: v Belgium, score 1-0, performance: so-so, one moment of brilliance from Platt
Match 5: v Cameroon, score 3-2, performance: totally outplayed but opponents imploded and gave us 2 cheap penalties
Match 6: v Germany, Score 1-1, Performance: Much improved but ultimately not good enough

Everyone regards it as a succesfull tournament but in the main, we were crap

Yes - but the difference is that we gave it a go, and it wasn't nearly so frustrating as this tournament's performances.

 

[Triggaaar]

Fabio Capello?

I don't think you've quite got this football lark.

 

[Randy McNob]

Yes - but the difference is that we gave it a go, and it wasn't nearly so frustrating as this tournament's performances.

So we can be clueless put scrape to a semi final because we played typical English football and we're regarded as heroes yet this time we play a slower game and set up to be hard to beat and we're useless even though the end result is the same?

 

[Randy McNob]

I don't think you've quite got this football lark.

But he was an elite club manager with a succesful track record?

How did that turn out, remind me.......

 

[Triggaaar]

But he was an elite club manager with a succesful track record?

How did that turn out, remind me.......

So some managers work, some don't. I'm not sure what your point is.

Klopp understands the English game and players far better than Fabio did, and we also have better players now. Name me a better option.

 

[Randy McNob]

So some managers work, some don't. I'm not sure what your point is.

Klopp understands the English game and players far better than Fabio did, and we also have better players now. Name me a better option.

i'm not the one demanding the manager be replaced

 

[Triggaaar]

i'm not the one demanding the manager be replaced

If you think Klopp can't do a better job than Southgate you are mad

 

[One Love]

Our problem in the past was we were niave and conceeded stupid goals and had bad discipline (ala Beckham/Rooney red cards) Southgate has fixed that, we are hard to beat, it isn't pretty but it's better than before

We had one of our centre backs booked in the 3rd minute.

Slovakia should have scored in the 5th minute

Slovakia nearly score in 12th minute, another let-off for England

It's coming

Goal for Slovakia in 25th minute.

Is this your idea of being tight at the back and hard to score against?

 

[Randy McNob]

If you think Klopp can't do a better job than Southgate you are mad

So Southgate is a better manager than Fabio Capello, your assertion not mine

 

[Randy McNob]

We had one of our centre backs booked in the 3rd minute.

Slovakia should have scored in the 5th minute

Slovakia nearly score in 12th minute, another let-off for England

It's coming

Goal for Slovakia in 25th minute.

Is this your idea of being tight at the back and hard to score against?

their goal wasn't because of England errors, it was good football from them