Europe: In or Out

[Herr Tubthumper]

People have already nailed their colours to the mast on NSC and the undecideds will probably break more for staying in as these momentous, fundamental, clearly defined changes will be presented as the best deal ever by unscrupulous, manipulative so and so's! (+project fear)



Minor adjustment to your quote.

Any person that voted for Corbyn and would like to see the current Labour Shadow team run the country obviously has this nation's wellbeing at heart.

Are these all more of your FACTS?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Are these all more of your FACTS?

No just my opinions

 

[RyFish]

we know corruption exists in the EU, for a start there was the fraud in the later 90's which led to resignation of the Commission, though everyone got off scot free.

So there was fraud 15-20 years ago, which means the EU as a whole is corrupt now?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

So there was fraud 15-20 years ago, which means the EU as a whole is corrupt now?

Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU Commission

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387

A report from 2014 and it relates more to the nation states but it does suggest corruption is widespread and very high in places like Spain and Greece.

Glad all our net £Billions£ of EU contributions are being redistributed to such a well run and regulated continent

 

[melias shoes]

Socialist comradeship alive and well I see.

The Greek people voted in a far left wing Anti Austerity government (sound familiar). That government after much 'negotiation' were told to accept ongoing Austerity, tax increases, privatise utilities or we will cut off credit. The then Greek finance minister stated this was contrary to the wishes of the people who voted 61% against austerity in the first referendum he also talked of being blackmailed.

Greece was then faced with a choice of voting to accept the terms or default on your debts/economic collapse/Grexit.

Democracy at the point of a gun.

As you say I'm sure they were happy with ..

Unemployment rate of 25%,
Youth unemployment near 50%,
Greeks 40% poorer,
poverty rates through the roof,
suicide rates up 35%

.. and thank their lucky stars that the wonderful EU was there for them in their hour of need.

But you know all this you're probably just pulling my chain.

Yep that's bullying.

 

[melias shoes]

Can I point out the EU is 28 nations......not just Germany.

If you say so.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

The biggest thing on the list should have been about controlling our borders, and all we got was flimsy proposals for stopping benefits. The issue is the numbers of people coming here and this ridiculous open borders with the EU. It's so sodding predictable. Once again a chosen few make the decisions for everyone else.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The biggest thing on the list should have been about controlling our borders, and all we got was flimsy proposals for stopping benefits. The issue is the numbers of people coming here and this ridiculous open borders with the EU. It's so sodding predictable. Once again a chosen few make the decisions for everyone else.

There will be a referendum. If the country doesn't like the decision it will vote to leave.

 

[The Rivet]

Cameron is a liar. Watching him his body language is all wrong in comparison with what is coming out of his mouth. A weak prime minister like chamberlain (no caps there; deliberate) waiving a piece of paper that is meaningless. I want a strong voice for the UK in the EU but I also want control over borders. Our own rights to set taxation and expenditure (including welfare) and Sovereignty that cannot be influenced. Set up strong British balances and checks to make sure parliament can't take the proverbial 'michael' out of us and I would be happy. Cameron's deal is laughable.

 

[melias shoes]

The same EU which looks at worker's rights, the same EU which has looked after ripped off consumers by taking on wide ranging businesses like mobile phone companies and airlines, the same EU which is now looking at big corporations diverting profits into distant tax havens? This doesn't strike me as being of benefit to capitalism. The EU actually get off its arse and tackles these things unlike successive UK governments. The EU Is now looking to take on Google. The current UK government cosied up to Google and struck a sweetheart deal for peanuts.

Agree Google got of far to lightly and should be paying far more. However it's 130 million more than they paid under your beloved Labour.

 

[The Rivet]

There will be a referendum. If the country doesn't like the decision it will vote to leave.

The up coming referendum will be interesting to say the least. Tim Collins made a speech on the eve of battle once with the words 'But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.' I hope supporters of both sides remember that after the result. We will all have to accept it, won't we? Going by the cybernats reaction in Scotland to their indy ref it could be social media bitch mayhem afterwards!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Isn't there ?

I reckon Dodgy Dave has come back with a great deal, must admit I thought he didn't have it in him to deliver.

great deal for who
regards
DR

 

[RyFish]

Corruption across EU 'breathtaking' - EU Commission

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26014387

A report from 2014 and it relates more to the nation states but it does suggest corruption is widespread and very high in places like Spain and Greece.

Glad all our net £Billions£ of EU contributions are being redistributed to such a well run and regulated continent

That corruption is therefore by countries who are members of the EU and not by the EU itself. That would happen whether or not the EU existed, and indeed exists in countries that have never been members.

By the way, I'm not stating as fact that there is no corruption within the corridors of power within the EU, but that there's very little evidence to back up such an assertion.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

great deal for who
regards
DR

Dodgy Dave has done the unexpected and come back with an improbable good deal for the UK

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Dodgy Dave has done the unexpected and come back with an improbable good deal for the UK

What has he gained? Apparently nothing about controlling our own borders (a big issue with the 'out' contingent). And the veto was already there

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

have to say i didn't think he had it in him. Britain in the eu with a hand on the steering wheel. Credit where it's due.

yeah but the steering and the wheels aren't going in the same direction
regards
DR

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

What has he gained? Apparently nothing about controlling our own borders (a big issue with the 'out' contingent). And the veto was already there

All in POST #409.

Very impressed by that lot.

 

[melias shoes]

Well we know the planned outline of some of the deal. Regardless, how does bashlsdir considering what has been detailed so far being pathetic make him a bigot ?

Exactly. Didn't you know all the outers are bigots?

 

[Hampster Gull]

Well that was a waste of time from Dave. No concessions of any note, and what is there will be eroded in the corridors of Brussels.

We should never be having this vote anyway, ehat was he thinking?!

 

[melias shoes]

Isnt this a bit prejudiced? Personally I will wait and with an informed mind vote for what's best for the UK.

I think we all know how you will vote regardless of what 'Deal' Cameron gets.