EU and AstraZeneca

[dsr-burnley]

On a bit of tangent, it puts into sharp focus just how daft the Burnley manager was for trying to think up reasons why his 21 year old footballers should skip in ahead of you, me and others.

The healthy under fifties such as presumably yourself don't have a place in the queue yet. There is no compelling reason why non-vulnerable under fifties need to be vaccinated in any particular order, so the ones likes sports people having to have frequent and expensive testing going first makes financial sense while impacting not at all on the vulnerable.

 

[Charity Shield 1910]

The healthy under fifties such as presumably yourself don't have a place in the queue yet. There is no compelling reason why non-vulnerable under fifties need to be vaccinated in any particular order, so the ones likes sports people having to have frequent and expensive testing going first makes financial sense while impacting not at all on the vulnerable.

There is a compelling reason. I want to go travelling and that won't be possible until I get the vaccine and actually another compelling reason, I just want to be vaccinated as in accordance with age/medical need. No snotty professional footballer is going to push in front of me thanks very much. Back of the queue son, waiting your turn is an old English tradition that I'm quite proud of.

 

[dsr-burnley]

The big problem that the EU have is that there are quite a few of the 27 countries where it isn't wildly popular. (It probably isn't "wildly popular" in any country, actually, but perhaps "wildly tolerated" would be a better way to put it.)

But in countries where there is a strong groundswell of anti-EU opinion, this shower gives the domestic Nigel Farages and Boris Johnsons a vast amount of material to work with. And add to that the domestic politicians who want to opt out of any blame for the vaccine shambles and will be happy to heap all the blame onto the EU as well, and the anti-EU parties get another boost. I doubt the press and public are going to be impressed with the EU's hopeless attempt to blame the Brits.

Johnson and the Cabinet, I believe, are viewed in the EU as a comedy item to some extent. (No idea why. ) So when their papers start reporting that the UK, even with Johnson at the helm, is doing so much better out of the EU than their own country is within it - it gives potential for a lot more independence parties to make a lot of progress.

That's why the EU politicians are running so scared IMO. Not because people will not get the vaccine; but because the EU could be in danger.

 

[dsr-burnley]

There is a compelling reason. I want to go travelling and that won't be possible until I get the vaccine and actually another compelling reason, I just want to be vaccinated as in accordance with age/medical need. No snotty professional footballer is going to push in front of me thanks very much. Back of the queue son, waiting your turn is an old English tradition that I'm quite proud of.

Probably you wanting to go travelling is not all that compelling a reason - not compared with all the older or medically vulnerable people who will already have been vaccinated before this becomes an issue.

You're in your forties at most. Burnley's players are mostly in their thirties. They won't be jumping the queue very far!

I'm assuming you aren't one of the "I read it on Twitter" brigade who thinks everything they read is gospel? For the record, what Dyche advocated is that people who need expensive testing could be at the front of the healthy under-fifties queue after all the over fifties and the medically vulnerable have been jabbed.

 

[Charity Shield 1910]

Probably you wanting to go travelling is not all that compelling a reason - not compared with all the older or medically vulnerable people who will already have been vaccinated before this becomes an issue.

You're in your forties at most. Burnley's players are mostly in their thirties. They won't be jumping the queue very far!

I'm assuming you aren't one of the "I read it on Twitter" brigade who thinks everything they read is gospel? For the record, what Dyche advocated is that people who need expensive testing could be at the front of the healthy under-fifties queue after all the over fifties and the medically vulnerable have been jabbed.

I'm not on twitter so no idea what they made of it. You hit the nail on the head when you say "They won't be jumping the queue very far". Couldn't care less if they jump the queue by one person. That would be one person too many. The old English tradition of waiting your turn is an absolute gem and no snotty professional footballer has any right to jump in front of anyone. Full stop, no arguments, that's how we live in the UK. It's fighting talk to push in front of people. However, if you want to volunteer to give up your place in the queue then very happy for you to do so, just don't volunteer me or others into it thanks very much.

 

[peterward]

The big problem that the EU have is that there are quite a few of the 27 countries where it isn't wildly popular. (It probably isn't "wildly popular" in any country, actually, but perhaps "wildly tolerated" would be a better way to put it.)

But in countries where there is a strong groundswell of anti-EU opinion, this shower gives the domestic Nigel Farages and Boris Johnsons a vast amount of material to work with. And add to that the domestic politicians who want to opt out of any blame for the vaccine shambles and will be happy to heap all the blame onto the EU as well, and the anti-EU parties get another boost. I doubt the press and public are going to be impressed with the EU's hopeless attempt to blame the Brits.

Johnson and the Cabinet, I believe, are viewed in the EU as a comedy item to some extent. (No idea why. ) So when their papers start reporting that the UK, even with Johnson at the helm, is doing so much better out of the EU than their own country is within it - it gives potential for a lot more independence parties to make a lot of progress.

That's why the EU politicians are running so scared IMO. Not because people will not get the vaccine; but because the EU could be in danger.

Yep, you're spot on its about more than just the jabs in arms.

Politically right now what the EU are doing to try and cover their own mess up, by UK bashing and trying to shift the blame onto us does make sense! For all the reasons you say, there are many waverers who will look to us as an example or lead for what they may or may not do with regards their own continued membership.

To admit they cocked it up and the UK got vaccine roll out right by acting swiftly, rather than negotiate prices for months on end is a double edged whammy. Easier to to try and blame the nasty vaccine nationalists in the UK and make us the pantomime villains, rather than admit their own failings as the truth is going to enrage many citizens.

Unfortunately for the EU, much of the european press is calling it as it really is......... A massive EU failure.

 

[Eeyore]

The big problem that the EU have is that there are quite a few of the 27 countries where it isn't wildly popular. (It probably isn't "wildly popular" in any country, actually, but perhaps "wildly tolerated" would be a better way to put it.)

But in countries where there is a strong groundswell of anti-EU opinion, this shower gives the domestic Nigel Farages and Boris Johnsons a vast amount of material to work with. And add to that the domestic politicians who want to opt out of any blame for the vaccine shambles and will be happy to heap all the blame onto the EU as well, and the anti-EU parties get another boost. I doubt the press and public are going to be impressed with the EU's hopeless attempt to blame the Brits.

Johnson and the Cabinet, I believe, are viewed in the EU as a comedy item to some extent. (No idea why. ) So when their papers start reporting that the UK, even with Johnson at the helm, is doing so much better out of the EU than their own country is within it - it gives potential for a lot more independence parties to make a lot of progress.

That's why the EU politicians are running so scared IMO. Not because people will not get the vaccine; but because the EU could be in danger.

It's really sad. Perhaps some don't care, and I know some will glory in it. But when folk have spent years saying it's all for the common good, and we can iron out the squabbles, tonight was a punch in the gut. I still consider myself a European, no-one's actions can stop that, and I hate my new blue passport. But to put the whole peace process in potential jeopardy, even temporarily, is unforgivable. I love Europe, its culture, its peoples. But the EU can go **** themselves.

And now we've got to deal with Farage and his new recruitment drive on a dark and divisive wave of 'I told you so' Cheers, Ursula.

 

[peterward]

It's really sad. Perhaps some don't care, and I know some will glory in it. But when folk have spent years saying it's all for the common good, and we can iron out the squabbles, tonight was a punch in the gut. I still consider myself a European, no-one's actions can stop that, and I hate my new blue passport. But to put the whole peace process in potential jeopardy, even temporarily, is unforgivable. I love Europe, its culture, its peoples. But the EU can go **** themselves.

And now we've got to deal with Farage and his new recruitment drive on a dark and divisive wave of 'I told you so' Cheers, Ursula.

my sentiment entirely, I love europe, europeans, and every country and peoples I have been fortunate to visit and meet and generally cannot stand Farage for pretty much anything except his position on the EU commission, nor the rule Britannia brigade, nor racists.

Leavers are nearly always stereotyped as these things but its bollox. Love europe not the EU.

 

[beorhthelm]

so despite the EMA approval, Macron has followed the narrative that the Astrazeneca vaccine is not effective in over 65s. no proof, nothing from EMA. what is their problem with Astrazeneca?

 

[clapham_gull]

so despite the EMA approval, Macron has followed the narrative that the Astrazeneca vaccine is not effective in over 65s. no proof, nothing from EMA. what is their problem with Astrazeneca?

Clearly, the natives are restless and it's an (albeit pointless) defensive statement. Same thing our Government has been doing for the last year.

Needs to man up and focus on getting France vaccinated.

 

[TugWilson]

Totally agree.

They cannot act decisively or quickly, pretty much ever, with 27 competing interests. The commission is unelected, often rejected politicians making the calls.

They make the rules up as they go along:

we cant break the 4 pillars of the EU they say (unless it suits us), We cannot have a hard border in Ireland, until we dither in procurement and balls up our vaccine roll out.

Yesterday, they could "not accept first come first serve or vaccine nationalism" until today when they enact an export ban to make them first come first serve and vaccine nationalists.

Its rotten, cumbersome, protectionist and rule breaking.

The only way it will ever work properly is when they finally achieve their "ever closer union" goals and become a one nation superstate, replacing nation states, one president, one army, one currency, one government...... that day will come (not for me thanks very much) but until then, its just a bungling mess.

you dont need the unelected EU commission to assume sovereignty and dictate laws to have freedom of movement, goods or services...... nation states could do it without the EU, whilst serving their individual electorates.

Von Der Leyen is totally incompetent, and has ballsed up big time, who voted for her?

These are the utter ***ts our grandparents and great grandparents fought and died for , so they could be free to repay the Great British people in this despicable underhanded cowardly manner . I hope the miserable lot of stards turn on each other one by one until they all end in the ruin they have brought on themselves so deservedly ,the greedy *****rs .

 

[TugWilson]

It's really sad. Perhaps some don't care, and I know some will glory in it. But when folk have spent years saying it's all for the common good, and we can iron out the squabbles, tonight was a punch in the gut. I still consider myself a European, no-one's actions can stop that, and I hate my new blue passport. But to put the whole peace process in potential jeopardy, even temporarily, is unforgivable. I love Europe, its culture, its peoples. But the EU can go **** themselves.

And now we've got to deal with Farage and his new recruitment drive on a dark and divisive wave of 'I told you so' Cheers, Ursula.

Did it occur to you that Farage might have been right ! . I have never given the man a moments thought , but whether i like someone or not wont change the truth . Like it or not the " Leavers " got it right , the clique that had developed was always very self serving , as they are being over the vaccine .

 

[Cian]

I could imagine that Micheál Martin might have put down his pint of Guinness and got on the blower.

The WHO waded in too.

Martin's from Cork. It'll have been a Beamish, and probably a can cause there's been no pubs open anywhere for nearly six weeks.

 

[Prettyboyshaw]

Had us over a barrel to agree a watered down deal just before the deadline with the truckers. It was perfect timing for them. The circumstances obviously weren't anything that could have been manufactured but they were quick enough to flex their muscles and use the situation to show what things could be like so basically f uck them now. For once we may be putting our country first (and I voted remain before I get the little englander shit) .

 

[Chicken Run]

https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...bility-a-1197547d-6219-4438-9d69-b76e64701802

Worth a read from a German newspaper.

Only a month ago she was the considered the ultimate Statesperson.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

 

[Baker lite]

It's really sad. Perhaps some don't care, and I know some will glory in it. But when folk have spent years saying it's all for the common good, and we can iron out the squabbles, tonight was a punch in the gut. I still consider myself a European, no-one's actions can stop that, and I hate my new blue passport. But to put the whole peace process in potential jeopardy, even temporarily, is unforgivable. I love Europe, its culture, its peoples. But the EU can go **** themselves.

And now we've got to deal with Farage and his new recruitment drive on a dark and divisive wave of 'I told you so' Cheers, Ursula.

I’m not all surprised by their behaviour,abhorrent.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[n1 gull]

Martin's from Cork. It'll have been a Beamish, and probably a can cause there's been no pubs open anywhere for nearly six weeks.

Actually it would probably be Murphy's

 

[vegster]

Ouch, got to hurt. Media in Sweden reporting that Russia want to give the EU 100 million doses of their sputnik vaxine...

That's odd that they just happen to have 100 million doses lying around?... I think the EU should wait and see how Navalny 's jab of Sputnik goes before accepting..

 

[Boroseagull]

A very well written piece.

Yes it is, but it's also the same paper that castigated the Tories back in July, BJ in particular, for deciding to go it alone. They also fail to mention that it was BJ in person who phoned Kate Bingham on the May 6 asking her to oversee and organise. But as she is the wife of a government minister that wouldn't look good!

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

‘Late on Friday evening, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the UK and EU had "agreed on the principle that there should not be restrictions on the export of vaccines by companies where they are fulfilling contractual responsibilities".
She said the backtrack came after "constructive talks" with UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson in which he had expressed "grave concerns" about the initial plan.‘

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55865539

That’s the completion of the u-turn. It’s an extraordinary diplomatic misstep. One of the Sky News correspondents last night was saying when you repeat aloud the EU’s worry that vaccines would be taken over the Irish border and then into the UK it sounds ridiculous that they could ever have imagined such a scenario. There seem to be decision makers at the heart of the EU so consumed by their anti UK attitude that they are holding their organization up to ridicule. A lot of this seems to be an attempt to cover up their mistakes and deflect blame when taking responsibility would have been the better option.