[News] Enough is enough

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Only if the oppositions' job is to be properly socialist, which is unelectable. But, more to the point, this current lot in charge are so far to the right that Rory Stewart (had he stayed on) or the Lib Dems or even Tugenhat could be said to be doing the job of the opposition. Kier Starmer's job now, sadly if you're an old fashioned lefty, is to be electable, because, if he isn't then we're stuck with the neo-fascists for another four or five years and they'll erode any opposition at all undemocratically in that time, in the name of "we voted Leave in 2016".

This.

I no more like seeing union leaders petitioning over issues that are not to do with the interests of their members that are the responsibility of the employer (and not the government) to consider, than I like seeing MPs on picket lines.

And the day I see the labour leader marching on a day of union-generated national action instead of being the leader of the opposition is the day I resign from the labour party (for the second time).

And in other news, I'm inviting my window cleaner round to do a bit of plumbing, while my plumber is setting up shop as a cardiac surgeon. It's all fluids and tubes, isn't it?

 

[The Clamp]

I think these initiatives, Enough is Enough, Don't Pay UK are the first drips of a coming torrent. Don't Pay is pure civil disobedience. I am undecided about that particular method, it would need more than a million people to have an effect but I like it.

I have said it before, this will end up as disorder on our streets.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Politics is basically the process of deciding who gets what so all these decisions which will require spending/not spending of money will always be about ideology.

Personally I would prefer a neutral , centrist government which focusses on improving things for the majority of people and we stop swing from left to right and back again and waste effort, unfortunately my views are not shared by many?

Politics is all about getting elected. That means dumbing down to vacuum votes from the ignorant and venal British populace. And before that, prospective party leaders have to dog whistle promises for the members to ensure the necessary votes to become leader (which can so easily become a hostage to fortune) .We get the governments we deserve.

Edit: Starmer may seem dull but he's not an idiot.

 

[Bulldog]

Lynch is a great campaigner, I love hearing him speak but Starmer knows what he is doing.

The left will vote Labour because they know how important it is to get the nasty party out for at least a decade. and start to repair the damage done by them. But this is probably not enough.

He must tap into the fertile center ground to get enough votes for a decent majority, and persuade the floaters that voted Tory last time that Labour are safe to elect.

Any hint that the Marxists are hiding behind the curtains will ensure another period of darkness with the most right wing government in our lifetimes.

Basicly, he doesn't need to appeal to the lefties as their votes are in the bag already, he must get the middle ground votes and talk of punitive taxes on the rich, strikes and nationalising old industries will drive the undecided straight back to the Tories.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Lynch is a great campaigner, I love hearing him speak but Starmer knows what he is doing.

The left will vote Labour because they know how important it is to get the nasty party out for at least a decade. and start to repair the damage done by them. But this is probably not enough.

He must tap into the fertile center ground to get enough votes for a decent majority, and persuade the floaters that voted Tory last time that Labour are safe to elect.

Any hint that the Marxists are hiding behind the curtains will ensure another period of darkness with the most right wing government in our lifetimes.

Basicly, he doesn't need to appeal to the lefties as their votes are in the bag already, he must get the middle ground votes and talk of punitive taxes on the rich, strikes and nationalising old industries will drive the undecided straight back to the Tories.

This

 

[dazzer6666]

To simplify it and make it more attainable, right now, I'd like to see substantial financial help for all those who'll struggle to pay for heating and food.

The rest of us don't need help with fuel bills. Let's target the money.

This. Needs to be means-tested and not used as an election bribe.

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

I don't agree with this argument at all. An entrepreneur building up his business and paying 30% tax on income of 1 million a year is not going to be disincentivised if he is able to earn 2 million a year but pays 35% tax or even 40% tax. Even less so if he is able to grow his income to 10 million a year. It's not as if we're going to go back to the 70's with 98% supertax rate.

Entrepreneurs will find a way to reduce their tax burden, that’s why they are entrepreneurs!

 

[The Clamp]

As long as the government keep avoiding raising taxes for the super rich, we won't fix this problem. People actually think Amazon or Starbucks are going to pull out of the UK market? You think the Chinese, Saudis or the Ruskies are going to shed their investments in London? I imagine they often chuckle to themselves and think "I can't believe we are still getting away with this, what a soft touch the UK is".

One of the main contributing factors to our economic situation is that money is trickling up, greatly accelerated during the pandemic. Money is leaving the accounts of the poor and and ending up in the pockets of billionaires, landlords, energy giants.

We need to wrest that money back from the super wealthy and get it back into the working economy. That will never happen under a Tory government. The Tory's are not a political party, they are the political wing of the super-rich.

 

[Weststander]

Well when Macron did it in France most rich people left the country is that what the UK wants ergo less money being paid in tax and less going back into the economy in goods / services purchased

You’re quite right, but it was Hollande. Booted out in no time at all, Macron quickly eliminated their wealth taxes.

His rationale …. to boost investment and entrepreneurship.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

If Truss wins it should ensure a Labour general election win, she is worse than hopeless

Sadly she isn’t even that good, but until Labour get someone like Andy Burnham fronting them they are still going to struggle.