England world cup draw,seeding.

[Cian]

with modern flight travel, there is no reason why we can't have the group stages covering the world, instaed focussing on continents?

Would require a total overhaul of how places in the finals are awarded, as they're issued to confederations... also, smaller eastern/south american/african countries could not easily afford that.

 

[Brighton till i die]

i cant f***ing believe the world cup is the only thing we can be remotely interested in now - and its not for another 3 f***ing years.

bunch of ****s.

 

[Mr Blobby]

It means we will get one from Italy, Spain,Germany, Czech Republic, France, Portugal, Holland, Croatia or Greece.

It also means that we can't draw Romania, Scotland, Turkey, Bulgaria,Russia, Poland, Sweden, or Israel!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

No Poland!

I guess Croatia or Greece is the best we could get

 

[nwgull]

It means we will get one from Italy, Spain,Germany, Czech Republic, France, Portugal, Holland, Croatia or Greece.

It also means that we can't draw Romania, Scotland, Turkey, Bulgaria,Russia, Poland, Sweden, or Israel!

despite the fact that we've never even conceeded a goal against Turkey, I'm quite happy that we're going to avoid them just because of all the bollox that goes on with playing home and away legs against them.

 

[Mr Blobby]

The Full List is :-

Pot 1
Italy
Spain
Germany
Czech Republic
France
Portugal
Netherlands
Croatia
Greece

Pot 2
England
Romania
Scotland
Turkey
Bulgaria
Russia
Poland
Sweden
Israel

Pot 3
Norway
Ukraine
Serbia
Denmark
Northern Ireland
Republic of Ireland
Finland
Switzerland
Belgium

Pot 4
Slovakia
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Hungary
Moldova
Wales
FYR Macedonia
Belarus
Lithuania
Cyprus

Pot 5
Georgia
Albania
Slovenia
Latvia
Iceland
Armenia
Austria
Kazakhstan
Azerbaijan

Pot 6
Liechtenstein
Estonia
Malta
Luxembourg
Montenegro
Andorra
Faroe Islands
San Marino

 

[keaton]

with modern flight travel, there is no reason why we can't have the group stages covering the world, instaed focussing on continents?

The poorer footballing nations, the logistical nightmare, air miles

 

[nwgull]

Ideal Group

Greece
England
Serbia
Cyprus
Kazakhstan
Malta

Nightmare

Czech Rep or Croatia
England
Ukraine
Slovakia
Austria or Georgia
Estonia

 

[London Calling]

Ha! To allow more European countries to qualify?

Bad for global appeal of finals.

Also, poor countries couldn't afford travel for qualifiers. And half of the matches would be in the middle of the night.

Shit idea, basically.

Would prevent repetion of the Euro championship, aka South American cup.

Competion would develop African sides, instead they only play "world" competion when they get to the finals.

Cost is bollocks, air travel between african states isn't actually cheaper than flying to London, plus, these countries aren't actually destitute, a large proportion of of international players already play outside there nation of birth. In fact the cost of shipping back players from France, Spain, Portugal, could save cash?

I don't recall many world cup matches being played at night, recently, matches can be adjusted accordingly. And again, how many would that apply to.

Plus, even at the mo, some nations such as Australia are destined to play around half of the world.


So basically, it can work.

 

[Cian]

Would prevent repetion of the Euro championship, aka South American cup.

Competion would develop African sides, instead they only play "world" competion when they get to the finals.

Cost is bollocks, air travel between african states isn't actually cheaper than flying to London, plus, these countries aren't actually destitute, a large proportion of of international players already play outside there nation of birth. In fact the cost of shipping back players from France, Spain, Portugal, could save cash?

I don't recall many world cup matches being played at night, recently, matches can be adjusted accordingly. And again, how many would that apply to.

Plus, even at the mo, some nations such as Australia are destined to play around half of the world.


So basically, it can work.

:thud:

The point isn't the cost of an african nation flying to another - they do that already! Its the cost of say, Chad having to go play Australia one week and then Canada two weeks later.

Also, the games would be at night or early morning for at least one set of fans - remember its not the same time everywhere!

And also, Autralia *chose* their current situation. They used to get to play lots of minute island nations nearby...

 

[London Calling]

The poorer footballing nations, the logistical nightmare, air miles

Again, the travel from London to Greece, is no less than say Nigeria to the rest of the African continent. And less than say Africa to india. Let alone Stockholm to Turkey? And as I said earlier, it isn't the case that say, the Nigerian side, are basically all based in Nigeria? Most of the Braziallians, Argies etc are already in Europe?

 

[Cian]

Again, the travel from London to Greece, is no less than say Nigeria to the rest of the African continent. And less than say Africa to india. Let alone Stockholm to Turkey? And as I said earlier, it isn't the case that say, the Nigerian side, are basically all based in Nigeria? Most of the Braziallians, Argies etc are already in Europe?

The majority to *all* of the managment team, training staff, admin staff, etc, etc *wil* be based in the home country.

 

[London Calling]

:thud:

The point isn't the cost of an african nation flying to another - they do that already! Its the cost of say, Chad having to go play Australia one week and then Canada two weeks later.

Also, the games would be at night or early morning for at least one set of fans - remember its not the same time everywhere!

And also, Autralia *chose* their current situation. They used to get to play lots of minute island nations nearby...

So this rules out noon or afternoon kick offs?

Could also generate great income for "smaller nations", the draw of Brazil, England, Germany, instead of Chad?


Obviously some probs over competitive matches over a couple of days, but again, your local Chad player has probably already travelled back from Europe to play in that home game, so flying from, Paris to Montreal may not be such an issue?

 

[Cian]

A noon kickoff in Australia is a 3am kickoff here. So yes, yes it does.

Its completely and utterly unworkable - logistically and fiscally.

 

[seagulls4ever]

Shit idea. Would mean the World Cup was full of European teams. It's good how it is, no need to change.

 

[Wozza]

Would prevent repetion of the Euro championship, aka South American cup.

Competion would develop African sides, instead they only play "world" competion when they get to the finals.

Cost is bollocks, air travel between african states isn't actually cheaper than flying to London, plus, these countries aren't actually destitute, a large proportion of of international players already play outside there nation of birth. In fact the cost of shipping back players from France, Spain, Portugal, could save cash?

I don't recall many world cup matches being played at night, recently, matches can be adjusted accordingly. And again, how many would that apply to.

Plus, even at the mo, some nations such as Australia are destined to play around half of the world.


So basically, it can work.

Brazil v Malta
Faroe Islands v Argentina
Guinea-Bissau v Northern Ireland
Afghanistan v USA
Belize v American Samoa

Woo. Sign us up!

:thud:

 

[beorhthelm]

Cost is bollocks, air travel between african states isn't actually cheaper than flying to London, plus, these countries aren't actually destitute, a large proportion of of international players already play outside there nation of birth. In fact the cost of shipping back players from France, Spain, Portugal, could save cash?

yeah, cost isnt an issue for the players and key staff... but what about the fans though? and how would "shipping back players" to Nigeria help if the game isnt in Europe but in Chile. bearing in mind the sat/wed or wed/sat pairings of games, how well are teams going to play in the second game after spending potentially 24 hours traveling then coping with jet lag? they'd basically get one days training between games.

 

[London Calling]

A noon kickoff in Australia is a 3am kickoff here. So yes, yes it does.

Its completely and utterly unworkable - logistically and fiscally.

and so what do the Australian fans get at the mo?

Top Draw at the mo, Saudi Arabia, yeah, great we stay up for that one.

Instead, the country would go nuts over most of the Europe nations especially:England, Scotland, Croatia, Greece.

Basically, the worst extreme is your cited one and even that can be improved, no reason why a 8 O'clock pm kick off in Australia could happen with a 8 am morning.

And that still would attract more support and viewers than probably all of the Australians group matches put together!!

 

[London Calling]

Brazil v Malta
Faroe Islands v Argentina
Guinea-Bissau v Northern Ireland
Afghanistan v USA
Belize v American Samoa

Woo. Sign us up!

:thud:

And at the mo, you have similar matches and worst, so it would not be a worst scenario.

Yeah, I can't see it happening for a while but it will. Once remember, European nations used to laugh at the thought that African nations could compete at the world stage.

England even giggled that England v Hungary would ne a no match for us.

If we want to improve world football then there needs to be interaction between all nations, and as it happens Europe also has a couple of complete no hopers at the mo, wouldn't it be better for Andorra and Co, that they can compete on equal terms than lose 22 Consetitive games, yeah, that's good for their development.

 

[London Calling]

yeah, cost isnt an issue for the players and key staff... but what about the fans though? and how would "shipping back players" to Nigeria help if the game isnt in Europe but in Chile. bearing in mind the sat/wed or wed/sat pairings of games, how well are teams going to play in the second game after spending potentially 24 hours traveling then coping with jet lag? they'd basically get one days training between games.

Yep that is a weakness, but already some sides already experience some of those logistical problems, again, it is not beyond the authorities to plan games to minimise travel.

And how many fans do really travel to away matches at the mo? Remember the European Cup in Portugal, at one Italian game only about 3,000 Italians turned up.


The TV revenue is more important, than the fans but if you want to develop world culture, the more interaction between nations and fans the better.

How many England fans would have travelled around Europe and the world, such as UB, if it wasn't for the desire to follow England, to far off (once unknown) treasures?