England to host 2018 World Cup

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Interesting. If 2018/2022 WC's go back to a vote with the original bids considered only , one would imagine the least corrupt bids would come out on top however, I suspect the two runners up would get the gigs. Portuagal/Spain 2018 & USA 2022.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bids

Would that be fair though because it could easily be argued that the fraudulent votes that went to Qatar might have gone to the bid that finished 3rd elevating them above the US! Complete re-run would be better. The fact that Russia has 2018 would pretty much rule us out.

 

[mikeyjh]

While I would love to think that England didn't win their bid back in the day simply down to corruption or something similar, I'm not sure it's that simple. I should note I'm a little bitter about this but take a look at the number of 'planned' stadiums, many of which have been touted for years but never look like being built - Liverpool, Nottingham, Bristol etc. The Forest one in particular was ridiculous, no firm plan of where it would be, what it would be, how it would be paid for etc..... Our bid was a bit of a shambles and hence got 2 votes.

 

[Austrian Gull]

While I would love to think that England didn't win their bid back in the day simply down to corruption or something similar, I'm not sure it's that simple. I should note I'm a little bitter about this but take a look at the number of 'planned' stadiums, many of which have been touted for years but never look like being built - Liverpool, Nottingham, Bristol etc. The Forest one in particular was ridiculous, no firm plan of where it would be, what it would be, how it would be paid for etc..... Our bid was a bit of a shambles and hence got 2 votes.

Exactly - our bid depended on new stadia being built (Plymouth, Milton Keynes). We don't have enough big stadia presently to cope with a 32 team World Cup.

 

[Guy Crouchback]

But they're not waging war against their neighbour - It's separatists don't you know

Your response would be funny, if it wasn't for the fact that some people in the west do actually fall for this "separatist" nonsense.

Which country arms those "separatists"? Which country sends their soldiers disguised as "separatists" to destabilise Ukraine? Which country incorporated a large chunk of Ukrainian territory after a rigged referendum (in Sevastopol 123% of residents "voted to join Russia")?

What Russia does is nothing short of waging war against their neighbour, albeit in an unorthodox manner.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Your response would be funny, if it wasn't for the fact that some people in the west do actually fall for this "separatist" nonsense.

Which country arms those "separatists"? Which country sends their soldiers disguised as "separatists" to destabilise Ukraine? Which country incorporated a large chunk of Ukrainian territory after a rigged referendum (in Sevastopol 123% of residents "voted to join Russia")?

What Russia does is nothing short of waging war against their neighbour, albeit in an unorthodox manner.

That was just too easy.

 

[Guy Crouchback]

That was just too easy.

Well, I wish taking the World Cup away from Russia was equally easy. Unfortunately, the chances of that happening are very slim, even if 1 million people sign the petition.

Oh, well... this is simply going to be the first World Cup in my life that I will completely ignore.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Well, I wish taking the World Cup away from Russia was equally easy. Unfortunately, the chances of that happening are very slim, even if 1 million people sign the petition.

Oh, well... this is simply going to be the first World Cup in my life that I will completely ignore.

The point I'm trying to make is that there is no room for politics in sport. If Russia loses the world cup it will be because of corruption in the vote. Not because they are supporting a separatist movement in the Ukraine, similar to the way the West is supporting a revolution in Syria by the way - To suit their own interests.

I fully understand that there is a deep mistrust, sometimes even hatred of Russia and all things Russian in Poland, understandable after the Warsaw uprising in 44.

But, lets just try and keep sport separate from it all, as the powers that be did when it came to the Olympics. If it is proven that corruption took place in the World Cup vote, then post a petition for this and I will gladly sign it.

 

[Austrian Gull]

Well, I wish taking the World Cup away from Russia was equally easy. Unfortunately, the chances of that happening are very slim, even if 1 million people sign the petition.

Oh, well... this is simply going to be the first World Cup in my life that I will completely ignore.

This won't be the first World Cup held in a country with an iffy human rights record - Argentina 78 was morally a far worse host IMHO.

 

[SeagullinExile]

This won't be the first World Cup held in a country with an iffy human rights record - Argentina 78 was morally a far worse host IMHO.

This is a very good point.

 

[Guy Crouchback]

I fully understand that there is a deep mistrust, sometimes even hatred of Russia and all things Russian in Poland, understandable after the Warsaw uprising in 44.

Not only after the Warsaw uprising but after 123 years of partitions, 3 great insurections, 1920 invasion, 1939 invasion, and then 45 years of communist rule. I wouldn't say "hatred" though. It's just that we can see Russia for what they really are, as opposed to some people in the West who seem to hold a very idealised picture of Russia in their heads.

But, lets just try and keep sport separate from it all

Only if we assume that sport is just a business and entertainment for masses. In such case I agree with you.
However, if we believe that sport stands also for something else: inter-human values, honest rivalry and fair play, then we cannot agree to "separate sport from it all".

This won't be the first World Cup held in a country with an iffy human rights record - Argentina 78 was morally a far worse host IMHO.

That is debatable. Journalists are killed in Russia too, political opponents of Putin put into prison and, unlike Argentina, Russia poses a real threat to most of their neighbours.

 

[strings]

World cup 2018 should be taken away from Russia; the aggresor country waging a war against their neighbour cannot be the organiser of World Cup. Please, sign the petition:

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...-relocate-the-2018-world-cup-away-from-russia

I agree. However there are two sides to every story, and the majority of Russians believe that the West is trying to impose western ways upon the poor Ukrainians, who just want to live the Russian-style lifestyle that they always have.

Whilst FIFA should make their World Cups ethical, I doubt FIFA would want to unpick an issue that even the UN seems unwilling to get involved in!

 

[SeagullinExile]

I agree. However there are two sides to every story, and the majority of Russians believe that the West is trying to impose western ways upon the poor Ukrainians, who just want to live the Russian-style lifestyle that they always have.

Whilst FIFA should make their World Cups ethical, I doubt FIFA would want to unpick an issue that even the UN seems unwilling to get involved in!

Nail on head.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Not only after the Warsaw uprising but after 123 years of partitions, 3 great insurections, 1920 invasion, 1939 invasion, and then 45 years of communist rule. I wouldn't say "hatred" though. It's just that we can see Russia for what they really are, as opposed to some people in the West who seem to hold a very idealised picture of Russia in their heads.


Only if we assume that sport is just a business and entertainment for masses. In such case I agree with you.
However, if we believe that sport stands also for something else: inter-human values, honest rivalry and fair play, then we cannot agree to "separate sport from it all".



That is debatable. Journalists are killed in Russia too, political opponents of Putin put into prison and, unlike Argentina, Russia poses a real threat to most of their neighbours.

I am sympathetic to you Mr C, I've thought all along that Russia 'bought' 2018, and if that's the case, then it should be taken away if proven correct. As stated above, if the UN cant do anything about it, FIFA have no chance.

Lets just hope they uncover a shit load of corruption in any investigation!

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Zero chance of the WC being taken off Russia, a small chance of it being stripped from Qatar, though still unlikely. FIFA may actually quite like to move '22 to get around the problem over moving to a winter WC. If they were to move it, there's plenty of time left to have another vote, but we'd still not get it.

 

[Triggaaar]

The decisions won't be changed they will come up with some fluff about how they have installed new processes for future bids that will safeguard against any wrong doing.

And even if they did have a re-vote, they'd simply include Qatar in the bid and tell the delegates to vote for Qatar.

 

[kevo]

Good piece on this in the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...18-world-cup-vote-rerun-qatar-gerry-sutcliffe

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Good piece on this in the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/football...18-world-cup-vote-rerun-qatar-gerry-sutcliffe

Interesting. Why did they choose to change the process and vote for two events at the same time, that seems odd to me. FIFA just seems so riddled with corruption it will be interesting to see what this report produces - if it's little of any consequence it's a guarantee that process is bent too.

 

[somerset]

Interesting. Why did they choose to change the process and vote for two events at the same time, that seems odd to me. FIFA just seems so riddled with corruption it will be interesting to see what this report produces - if it's little of any consequence it's a guarantee that process is bent too.

Because the selection of Russia was bundled into the 'bung' deal sanctioned by Blatter. There was obviously a statute of limitations on the effectiveness of a backhander, so a 2 4 1 deal was presented as the way forward.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Because the selection of Russia was bundled into the 'bung' deal sanctioned by Blatter. There was obviously a statute of limitations on the effectiveness of a backhander, so a 2 4 1 deal was presented as the way forward.

I get the feeling Blatter is back tracking on stepping down only because whoever takes over will uncover a catalogue of dodgy deals done under his reign

 

[somerset]

I get the feeling Blatter is back tracking on stepping down only because whoever takes over will uncover a catalogue of dodgy deals done under his reign

Nail on head......