England players "bored."

[KneeOn]

Sorry FDM, but I don't see how a team of professional international footballers can be so absolutely f***ing useless just because they're away from home for an extended period. Are they men, or sodding mice??! Jeeeeez...

Its not just that they are away from home, its that they are away from home, with massive restrictions on what they can do. Which yes, during qualification when we needed to show that 2008 was a fluke, worked. It worked because it was a short burst, 2-3 days, a match, 2-3 days, a match, home. Not 4-8 weeks of isolation, coupled with absoulutly crushing pressure to sucseed. Throw in the restrictions Capello places upon them, and the feeling that back home everyone is against you.

Nothing personal, but i'd like to see you go through that, to see how you would cope... I know i would struggle.

 

[The Merry Prankster]

There is a diffrence between being an Adult of 30-50 for example and an Adult of 20-25.

When you were in your early 20's did you sit around at home when you wernt working reading books and going for walks?

Of course not. I played chess as well.

 

[The Spanish]

Its not just that they are away from home, its that they are away from home, with massive restrictions on what they can do. Which yes, during qualification when we needed to show that 2008 was a fluke, worked. It worked because it was a short burst, 2-3 days, a match, 2-3 days, a match, home. Not 4-8 weeks of isolation, coupled with absoulutly crushing pressure to sucseed. Throw in the restrictions Capello places upon them, and the feeling that back home everyone is against you.

Nothing personal, but i'd like to see you go through that, to see how you would cope... I know i would struggle.

good post. a bit of common sense in the borefest that is 'well if i went for work i would be motivated by 7 million quid a second' and all the other tedious half baked rubbish trotted out back home every time we f*** up.

yes the nations angry with them and rightly so but there is no real attempt to get inside their heads or even try and find out what their routine and regime is. i bet everyone who posts 'if i didnt pick up all the bins on my route i would get sacked' has absolutely no idea they do all day.

we dont help ourselves in tournaments from the players to the fa to the press to the fans at home. we all need to smarten up a bit.

 

[KneeOn]

good post. a bit of common sense in the borefest that is 'well if i went for work i would be motivated by 7 million quid a second' and all the other tedious half baked rubbish trotted out back home every time we f*** up.

yes the nations angry with them and rightly so but there is no real attempt to get inside their heads or even try and find out what their routine and regime is. i bet everyone who posts 'if i didnt pick up all the bins on my route i would get sacked' has absolutely no idea they do all day.

we dont help ourselves in tournaments from the players to the fa to the press to the fans at home. we all need to smarten up a bit.

I'm really angry we're playign shit but there's obviously somthing different from qualification.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Its not just that they are away from home, its that they are away from home, with massive restrictions on what they can do. Which yes, during qualification when we needed to show that 2008 was a fluke, worked. It worked because it was a short burst, 2-3 days, a match, 2-3 days, a match, home. Not 4-8 weeks of isolation, coupled with absoulutly crushing pressure to sucseed. Throw in the restrictions Capello places upon them, and the feeling that back home everyone is against you.

Nothing personal, but i'd like to see you go through that, to see how you would cope... I know i would struggle.

Just out of interest where does why is there this crushing pressure? We have no pedigree at international level save for a single victory on home turn with a dodgy lino 44 years ago. I'd suggest we're the underdogs with nothing to loose.

 

[Seasider78]

Lets not forget some of these players are fathers who have not seen their partnmers and kids for nearly 4 weeks. The other nations players appear to be enjoying the experience whereas our players look like they can't wait to get home. We need to get the balance between discipline and enjoyment right as otherwise we are sending 11 demotivated players onto the pitch

 

[Skint Gull]

I don't think for one minute that boredom is what is causing the panic and awful way we've played so far in this world cup but all those people who think just because these players earn millions and are staying in a 5 star hotel they shoudn't be bored is a bit naive.

Yes there are a million and one worse places to be but I can remember plenty of holidays (sometimes even a week long) where as good a time as i've had, i'd quite like to get back to normality. How about the bands/artists who go touring all over the place living out of hotels who again say its not as glamorous as it seems and they'd rather be able to be at home?

We can say 'oh they're pro's, they earn million, they should be able to deal with it' all we like but at the end of the day surely the aim of the staff has to be to make the players as comfortable and 'at home' as possible. You can't just go onto a football field and be relaxed if you're not relaxed all the time, its not something you can just turn on or off.

I also think FDM summed it up perfectly about the strictness of it all, the analogy is great. Yes when you diet you go all out to lose weight and completely cut out any junk food, but most people can live their lives like that, it needs balance. Once you've trimmed off all the fat you can go to a balanced lifestyle with a bit of everything, just don't let it get to the extreme again

 

[Acker79]

The money doesn't guarantee mental health, but surely it means they can afford ipods, laptops, DSs, etc. all sorts of things they can use to keep themselves entertained.

 

[KneeOn]

Just out of interest where does why is there this crushing pressure? We have no pedigree at international level save for a single victory on home turn with a dodgy lino 44 years ago. I'd suggest we're the underdogs with nothing to loose.

The media.
'nuff said really.

This team are meant to be our heroes, our gladiators and are going to bring the cup home. Given the fact we have Capello in charge, there might just be a bit more pressure than before, to do well because we've got Fab in charge.

 

[The Modfather]

Surely it is a level playing field.

All the other nations are away from family for the same period of time.

It does not seem to be effecting Brazil, Holland or Argentina.

 

[KneeOn]

Surely it is a level playing field.

All the other nations are away from family for the same period of time.

It does not seem to be effecting Brazil, Holland or Argentina.

Which is why it might be a problem specific to England such as Capello and his style of management. If say, Argentina were being managed in the same way, with what appears to be very little bonding, very high brow activities that don't suit a group of twenty somthing lads, who are used to bonding at clubs with stuff like the Albion did, paint balling, adventure days and stuff, then we're going to suffer because we're less of a unit. Which is what we looked against Algeria.

 

[Brovion]

Oops, sorry!
I have read your post properly now. It's good to have one of NSC's best contributors back, by the way.

Apology happily accepted and thank you for your kind words. Got a bit pissed off with the moderating and gave NSC a rest for a couple of months.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

So the players don’t like the boot camp regime and that some of them are bored! Well we tried having the WAGs around last time and we were equally shit then. Funny how during the qualifications the Cappello approach was the best thing since sliced bread but now apparently it’s wrong! Sorry but it’s not the manager, it’s the players and they need to understand that. There are lads and lassies in Afghanistan who are living in shit conditions with crap equipment who could get shot or maimed at any time, but who get on and do the job because they know that they owe it to themselves, to there colleagues and to the country.

The likes of Gerrard earn more in a week than some of them will earn in four or five years, and the last time I looked there wasn’t any chance of Gerrard and co of dying.

I can understand the likes of Rooney missing his sun … in the same way I missed my baby son when on business, or the way some guy’s in Afghanistan haven’t seen there new born and may never. It’s part of their job and have to take it on the chin, they might not like it but they can’t let it affect them as it might get someone killed

 

[nwgull]

From reading various reports this morning I get the impression that the resentment is still there and possibly worse following John Terry's press conference. Something serius needs to happen or we're f***ed on Weds, maybe Beckham and Pearce are the best people to try and sort something?

 

[Peteinblack]

Bunch of wankers who (if things are sooooo dreadful for them over there) should just bugger off to their pimped-up chav mansions.

 

[Peteinblack]

So the players don’t like the boot camp regime and that some of them are bored! Well we tried having the WAGs around last time and we were equally shit then. Funny how during the qualifications the Cappello approach was the best thing since sliced bread but now apparently it’s wrong! Sorry but it’s not the manager, it’s the players and they need to understand that. There are lads and lassies in Afghanistan who are living in shit conditions with crap equipment who could get shot or maimed at any time, but who get on and do the job because they know that they owe it to themselves, to there colleagues and to the country.

The likes of Gerrard earn more in a week than some of them will earn in four or five years, and the last time I looked there wasn’t any chance of Gerrard and co of dying.

I can understand the likes of Rooney missing his sun … in the same way I missed my baby son when on business, or the way some guy’s in Afghanistan haven’t seen there new born and may never. It’s part of their job and have to take it on the chin, they might not like it but they can’t let it affect them as it might get someone killed

Brilliant post.

 

[ROSM]

There was an interesting article in one of the papers yesterday about how the dutch have had a rethink at this world cup (following previous tournament internal squabbles) and have allowed the players out and about to attend world cup events prior to the start of the competition. The men in Orange loved it and have constantly highlighted in interviews since how much fun it was and how it gave them a chance to get into the zone and understand the atmosphere. Since the tournament started they have been subject to the usual 'lockdown' which if anything is more disciplined than the England one.

The England team were asked if they wished to do this and it would appear the players asked not to for 'security' reasons. So some of the isolation has been self inflicted. Instead they have been able to have 9 holes of golf (as long as they aren't injured), swimming, table tennis, pool, xbox/wii etc. No alcohol and in bed by 11pm. They get breakfast together, training then lunch, free time and activities, dinner then they watch the evening game and highlights of earlier ones then bed. Yes it's regimented, yes they're away from home, yes the manager may have the interpersonal skills of a gnat, BUT football is a short career and perhaps players get no more than 4 chances to have this experience and to get themselves onto the world stage.

As for Terry yesterday - I think it proves that revenge is a dish best served cold and he has taken the opportunity to hit back at those he felt didn't back him.

 

[KZNSeagull]

I'm with BoF on this one.

Have England even held an open training session where anyone could go and watch? The Paraguayans have done that a few times already where we are and the locals have loved it.

What they need to understand is that the whole community in Rustenburg are behind them and have adopted them as their second team (most black South Africans have anyway purely because they get to see a lot of the premiership on the telly). Perhaps if they got off their arses and arranged to go and visit the locals, see how pleased people would be to see them and see how happy people without a pot to piss in can be, it may give them a reality check and a sense of proportion.

But it won't happen because of 'security' concerns. The same concerns that even Sky News admitted the other night 'may have been overblown'.

 

[Acker79]

I'm with BoF on this one.

Have England even held an open training session where anyone could go and watch? The Paraguayans have done that a few times already where we are and the locals have loved it.

Aren't all training sessions open ones, with FIFA allowing one behind closed doors training session in the build up to games? Are are they only open to press?

 

[nwgull]

Aren't all training sessions open ones, with FIFA allowing one behind closed doors training session in the build up to games? Are are they only open to press?

Don't think so, haven't Brazil had all their sessions behind closed doors?