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*** Engerland v Switzerland *** 2012 euro qualifier 04-06-11 itv 16.45



Herr Tubthumper

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The object of the game was to win and Bent didnt look like he would score even with an open goal. I suggested that before they brought on the other Villa clown Downing, had we had Crouch in the middle for the last 10-15 mins and provided long balls from the wings that he would win and either aim to the goal or knock down for Ashley Young. Bent would and didnt do either.

As I said, the world has moved on from "long balls" and surely English supporters are best placed to understand that launching a ball up to a big bloke does not get you very far.
 
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Lyndhurst 14

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After that piss poor performance I think I’m going to start supporting Team USA – they’ve got more passion and dedication and they got as far in the last World Cup with a manager and team who are probably on a tenth of what the pampered UK squad is on.
 


Icy Gull

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After that piss poor performance I think I’m going to start supporting Team USA – they’ve got more passion and dedication and they got as far in the last World Cup with a manager and team who are probably on a tenth of what the pampered UK squad is on.

Changing teams is not really an option though is it? What gets me is that so many people are in denial about just how shit we are. Long season, tired players, injured players,unlucky, goal keeping error, bad manager. Take your pick any one of those or a combination will be served up as a piss poor excuse when the reality is we are not very good on the world stage and technically not up to scratch. Frustratingly nothing seems to be done about the root causes.

Disclaimer - I didn't actually watch the match but am assuming that the above excuses carry forward from game to game.
 


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Changing teams is not really an option though is it?

Maybe not, but giving up on them is. Or maybe hating them is? A friend of mine gave up on them because he totally hates all the players in the team and cannot bear to support them. I mean, how can you cheer and support people like Cole, Rooney and Terry?
 




BensGrandad

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As I said, the world has moved on from "long balls" and surely English supporters are best placed to understand that launching a ball up to a big bloke does not get you very far.

Crouch record for England played 42 scored 22 goals suggest otherwise. The so called contolled football wasnt bringing a win so for the last 10 mins what the heck as they say s...t or bust.

I once brought my sub goalkeeper on in midfield, 5 mins before the end of a cup final that we were winning but getting slaughtered so I told him everytime the ball landed at his feet from wherever hit the ball at the goal biut make sure if it missed it was goal kick not into the goalkeepers arms. He did just that and we won the cup. Its horses for courses to win a specific game sometimes you have to use unusual tactics, which people dont like. to achieve that aim. Today was such an example.
 
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deletebeepbeepbeep

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The style that England play is light years behind the likes of Spain, Germany and Holland. It will be at least a century before we win anything of note and we haven't hit the low yet. Quite frankly, we are a bit shit aren't we and will continue to be so until the FA sorts itself out.

Also I wish Lampard and Terry would just f*** off.
 


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The style that England play is light years behind the likes of Spain, Germany and Holland. It will be at least a century before we win anything of note and we haven't hit the low yet. Quite frankly, we are a bit shit aren't we and will continue to be so until the FA sorts itself out.

Also I wish Lampard and Terry would just f*** off.

Absolutely this!!!!!
 




Herr Tubthumper

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Crouch record for England played 42 scored 22 goals suggest otherwise.

Isn't this tally skewed by bucket loads against really poor opposition though? Who are these goals against?
 








Herr Tubthumper

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I once brought my sub goalkeeper on in midfield, 5 mins before the end of a cup final that we were winning but getting slaughtered so I told him everytime the ball landed at his feet from wherever hit the ball at the goal biut make sure if it missed it was goal kick not into the goalkeepers arms. He did just that and we won the cup. Its horses for courses to win a specific game sometimes you have to use unusual tactics, which people dont like. to achieve that aim. Today was such an example.

I cannot take you seriously after having read this justification for bringing on Crouch.

I'm doing that twirly index finger at the temple gesture now
 


jimhigham

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Just can't bring myself to get excited over the England team anymore. Yes, they represent the country of my birth but I don't see how this set of spoilt and borderline degenerates represents me. Granted, there are players within the set up who are probably very nice chaps but the overarching ethos coming out of the camp seems to be "me me me" instead of "team team team".

Would happily see the culling of large chunks of this team in order to get young blood in. Would like to see some hunger and (hopefully) a little more technical proficiency in the team. Purely personally, I'd be happy to kiss goodbye to Euro 12 and World Cup 14 (Brazil have that won already) if there were signs of some serious effort to improve technically a la Gus.
 






BensGrandad

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The way forward isnt by lumping long balls but tonight Bent didnt look like he would score. We were playing Switzerland not Spain or German and Senderos is known to be a bit slow and cumbersome at the back so perhaps 10 mins of Crouch winning headers may have turned the tide. It is only an opinion and everybody is entitled to that, we didnt do it so nobody knows whether it may have worked.
 


deletebeepbeepbeep

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Crouch record for England played 42 scored 22 goals suggest otherwise. The so called contolled football wasnt bringing a win so for the last 10 mins what the heck as they say s...t or bust.

I once brought my sub goalkeeper on in midfield, 5 mins before the end of a cup final that we were winning but getting slaughtered so I told him everytime the ball landed at his feet from wherever hit the ball at the goal biut make sure if it missed it was goal kick not into the goalkeepers arms. He did just that and we won the cup. Its horses for courses to win a specific game sometimes you have to use unusual tactics, which people dont like. to achieve that aim. Today was such an example.

This is literally one of the most unintentionally funny things I've ever read in my life.
 




Icy Gull

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I must admit he was a big lad and had an almighty long kick. From a goal kick he used to hit the opponents penalty box and usually the spot quite easily. So from just in our half or their half there were a lot of goal kicks for them

I'm not sure the Dave/Harry Bassett style of football actually works in the 21st century above League 2 though.
 




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BensGrandad

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As I said it was s..t or bust we were not going to score by conventional means and playing football notice I ommitted to say good football. Bent wasnt working and he wasnt knocking balls down for Young and other players coming through.
 


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