[Football] Eng-Ger-Land v Italy tonight

[One Teddy Maybank]

That Bilac or whatever his name is must have been watching a different game from me.Italy only started playing the last 20 mins?what a ****.

Thought he was accurate. Two very ordinary teams.




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[Mellotron]

Rashford was AWFUL. Looked shattered as soon as he came on.

Too many subs made the second half horribly disjointed. Decent first half. Sterling and Vardy excellent.

Thought Pen was soft - ball had gone and there’s no way the tread was intentional at that pace.

 

[Saunders]

If it has changed, it’s seemed to have they need to tell everyone.

That was a 50/50 can see why he has given it, but not what we were told it was to be used for.

When the people in the studio say they had to see it 20 times before agreeing it doesnt seem so clear and nobody seems to be taking into account that Tarkowski didnt deviate his run the italian did and he had lost posession of the ball before he trod on his foot.

 

[Bodian]

.Italy should have had one for the Stones tug also.

This is the problem isn't it. Even in real time with the Stones tug you think 'was it, wasn't it', whereas even the Italian players didn't appeal for the one that was given. If we're going to have VAR, then it will have to be for every challenge in the box surely?

 

[Renegade1]

Thought he was accurate. Two very ordinary teams.




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First 25 mins it was all Italy and as the commentator rightly said we could have been 2/3 up.Immobile can't stop scoring for Lazio
but can't start scoring for Italy.Then the last 20 again it was Italy.In the middle it was 50/50.

 

[Mellotron]

As Southgate says, VAR used totally incorrectly. Error from the ref and he will hopefully be pulled up for that.

 

[Renegade1]

This is the problem isn't it. Even in real time with the Stones tug you think 'was it, wasn't it', whereas even the Italian players didn't appeal for the one that was given. If we're going to have VAR, then it will have to be for every challenge in the box surely?

Which tells you players should always protest for a pen for the purpose of getting the ref to look at Var.

 

[Renegade1]

Way too much talking on ITV about the pen.The result is not important.This is a nothing friendly.It's about how your team plays and was there enough in the game to be happy about.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

First 25 mins it was all Italy and as the commentator rightly said we could have been 2/3 up.Immobile can't stop scoring for Lazio
but can't start scoring for Italy.Then the last 20 again it was Italy.In the middle it was 50/50.

Not really 10 perhaps, but thought a draw was right and penalty decision correct as well.


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[Saunders]

Way too much talking on ITV about the pen.The result is not important.This is a nothing friendly.It's about how your team plays and was there enough in the game to be happy about.

Yea i just think we are a bit concerned as to how VAR is being used for the future as you say the result isnt important the team played well.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Way too much talking on ITV about the pen.The result is not important.This is a nothing friendly.It's about how your team plays and was there enough in the game to be happy about.

But because of the nature of how it was awarded it was inevitable wasn’t it?

International friendliest IMO, are becoming more and more pointless.

I still don’t understand how Italy lost in the play-off’s.


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[Simon Morgan]

The most you could say about us going forward is that we 'looked dangerous'. Didn't create a huge amount of good chances and at times Italy defended well. Cannot believe how the pretty poor defensive performance (especially in the middle) was glossed over. Free headers and easy chances conceded at a pretty alarming rate. Also, you could see the pen coming a mile off, Tarkowski was after Chiesa like a security guard chasing a shoplifter. Absolutely no need, as there were many bodies between Chiesa and the goal and he was basically going nowhere. I daresay our Lewis wouldn't have been quite as clumsy. I think Italy deserved a draw, and they're not even going to the WC...

 

[maffew]

It was a foul, no question. If that happened to my team, I'd be shouting for a pen. A foul is a foul, even if it is accidental.

I get what you are saying, I'm not 100% whether it was a pen or not. Though having had the privilege of watching it MULTIPLE times I cant see that it was a clear and obvious error by the ref

A foul is a foul yes but not sure this was. The Italian team didn't even appear to appeal for a penalty, they thought it was a goal kick, then a corner. They cant use VAR for decisions like that. I am an advocate of VAR (certainly not for this world cup as it's not established enough) and understand it will take time to get right. If it was my team I swear I would be screaming for a penalty and it'd be a boring game if there were no controversies. VAR is meant to stop controversial errors not cause more. But that was soft, and just watching it again, it really wasn't clear and obvious that the ref cocked it up (it wasnt a stamp or anything, if that was a deliberate foul on the top of his foot there should have been a booking as well)

 

[Renegade1]

Yea i just think we are a bit concerned as to how VAR is being used for the future as you say the result isnt important the team played well.

I've always been in favour of video technology.

There has been alot of whining about it but imagine if England got a pen in the World Cup Final because of VAR.You wouldn't hear much whining then.

There was no long delay tonight as with other games using VAR.Tonight it was used once and worked perfectly.

 

[Renegade1]

I get what you are saying, I'm not 100% whether it was a pen or not. Though having had the privilege of watching it MULTIPLE times I cant see that it was a clear and obvious error by the ref

A foul is a foul yes but not sure this was. The Italian team didn't even appear to appeal for a penalty, they thought it was a goal kick, then a corner. They cant use VAR for decisions like that. I am an advocate of VAR (certainly not for this world cup as it's not established enough) and understand it will take time to get right. If it was my team I swear I would be screaming for a penalty and it'd be a boring game if there were no controversies. VAR is meant to stop controversial errors not cause more. But that was soft, and just watching it again, it really wasn't clear and obvious that the ref cocked it up (it wasnt a stamp or anything, if that was a deliberate foul on the top of his foot there should have been a booking as well)

Please tell me you are 99% sure it was a pen because anything less and you will look silly.

 

[maffew]

Way too much talking on ITV about the pen.The result is not important.This is a nothing friendly.It's about how your team plays and was there enough in the game to be happy about.

This is true, Not fussed about the result, it's a training match really - and that means for the players, not for the ref and his VAR to get up to speed with new rule changes

 

[Renegade1]

But because of the nature of how it was awarded it was inevitable wasn’t it?

International friendliest IMO, are becoming more and more pointless.

I still don’t understand how Italy lost in the play-off’s.


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Which is why we should all rejoice because friendlies will be replaced by the new international league.

 

[Saunders]

I've always been in favour of video technology.

There has been alot of whining about it but imagine if England got a pen in the World Cup Final because of VAR.You wouldn't hear much whining then.

There was no long delay tonight as with other games using VAR.Tonight it was used once and worked perfectly.

You would hear plenty of whining from the opposition. Its supposed to be used for clear and obvious errors, that was not clear and obvious so it is not working perfectly unless it is now going to be a case of we review every incident in the penalty area.

 

[seagulls4ever]

As Southgate says, VAR used totally incorrectly. Error from the ref and he will hopefully be pulled up for that.

The fault of the ref or the fault of the people in the controlling station? Who decides whether there has been a clear and obvious error? Does the ref only get involved after the people behind the scenes think there has been a clear and obvious error? If the ref thinks there's a foul based on replays, then surely he has to give it?

 

[Mellotron]

The fault of the ref or the fault of the people in the controlling station? Who decides whether there has been a clear and obvious error? Does the ref only get involved after the people behind the scenes think there has been a clear and obvious error? If the ref thinks there's a foul based on replays, then surely he has to give it?

Whoever decided it was a clear and obvious error. It wasn’t. It was 50:50 at best.